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Re: Staw Polls vs votes and TO DOs for test suites

From: Chris Ridpath <chris.ridpath@utoronto.ca>
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:29:07 -0500
Message-ID: <038701c4d88c$0bda3f50$e29a968e@WILDDOG>
To: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "'WAI WCAG List'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

Thanks for the clarification on the vote vs. poll. I see that my previous
message was not quite right.

> all decisions on what is in or out  - or what the role
> of test suite(s) is/are - are all open questions right now.
Yes! That's why we're trying to encourage public comment.

We're trying to work through the test suite systematically and are starting
with some tests dealing with images. It would be easier for us if you
commented on the image tests right now and held off on the other tests until
they come up for review. (Please see list of image tests under review at
bottom of message.)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
To: "'WAI WCAG List'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: Staw Polls vs votes and TO DOs for test suites

> To avoid confusion, lets not use 'vote' and 'poll' together.
> Polling is done to get an idea where people are and has no validity beyond
> that  --  and does not directly constitute a decision of any kind.
> Voting on the other hand does and needs to be done very carefully and
> according to proper procedures.
> So - straw polls to see if most people agree or not (so we don't spend all
> our time discussing things we agree on and can ask or identify
> is very useful - but should not be confused with a decision making
> Confusion around this has caused some disruption in the past.   So please
> talk about "participating in straw polls"  not voting.   Thanks.
> RE the test suites,  all decisions on what is in or out  - or what the
> of test suite(s) is/are - are all open questions right now.  So no-one
> should get too worried or committed to any of this in its current form.
> Chris put out a good memo on this
> So at this point what we need is
> a lot of people
> - looking at the tests that we have,
> - making comments on them so we can capture them,
> - identifying tests that are missing
> - making suggestions for wording on current and missing test.
> Thanks much.
> Gregg
>  -- ------------------------------ 
> Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
> Director - Trace R & D Center
> University of Wisconsin-Madison
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
> Of Chris Ridpath
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:51 PM
> To: WAI WCAG List
> Subject: Tests 3, 4, 6, 16, 178
> The working group has been wrestling with the process of accepting or
> rejecting the individual tests that make up the WCAG2 test suite but
> progress has been slow. We still need to look at about 200 tests by March
> 2005 in order for the suite to be published by mid 2005.
> Our process is to discuss the tests on the list and then vote for
> acceptance/rejection/modification at our "straw poll" site [1]. (You must
> a member of the working group to vote in the poll.) Tests will be selected
> for discussion based upon their HTML element. We'll start by discussing
> tests for the IMG element.
> When considering a test for inclusion in the suite, here are some points
> think about:
> - The language of the test must be clear and easy to understand.
> - The level of the test must be correct (level 1, level 2 or level 3).
> - The test must map to the correct technique.
> - A person with limited HTML and accessibility training can give a clear
> pass/fail rating for the test.
> - The test detects an accessibility problem.
> - If you fail the test you fail the Success Criteria.
> - If you fail the test there is not an alternative that is as accessible.
> Currently, the working group has accepted just one test - IMG element must
> have an ALT attribute [2]. Here are the next tests we will be working on:
> Alt text should be short:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test3.html
> Important images should not have empty Alt text:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test4.html
> Decorative images should have empty Alt text:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test16.html
> Alt text should not be placeholder text:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test6.html
> Alt text must be a meaningful alternative for the image:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test178.html
> Please take a look at these tests and post your comments regarding
> acceptance into the suite.
> Cheers,
> Chris
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/testsuite1/
> [2] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test1.html
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