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RE: [#1063] APPLET alt text and alternative content

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:05:10 -0500
To: "'Michael Cooper'" <michaelc@watchfire.com>, "'Roberto Scano \(IWA/HWG\)'" <rscano@iwa-italy.org>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <auto-000109498310@spamarrest.com>

"until user agent" stuff

We are going to have to figure out what we are going to do about this
generically with regard to the standard.  

Technical specs can just say use and don't use.  But it plays different with

However, whenever we start designing to the current user agents and their
shortcomings we get in trouble

However, if we don't we create un-implementable guidance and unusable
content today.

However... (see first however)  


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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Michael Cooper
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 2:35 PM
To: Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG); w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: [#1063] APPLET alt text and alternative content

APPLET is in the HTML 4.01 spec, although it is deprecated. EMBED is not in
the spec, but we have decided that because of widespread UA support we
nevertheless have to provide techniques for accessible use of that element.
We would prefer to tell people "don't use APPLET and EMBED, use OBJECT" but
our user agent testing indicates that is not a realistic recommendation
right now. Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG) [mailto:rscano@iwa-italy.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:54 PM
> To: Michael Cooper; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Subject: RE: [#1063] APPLET alt text and alternative content
> Sorry, but embed and applet aren't elements that are not 
> defined in any W3C dtd?
> ----- Messaggio originale -----
>     Da: "Michael Cooper"<michaelc@watchfire.com>
>     Inviato: 21/09/04 21.36.16
>     A: "WAI GL (E-mail)"<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>     Oggetto: [#1063] APPLET alt text and alternative content
>     The following is a proposal for HTML techniques. I will 
> implement the proposal in a draft unless there is objection 
> from the group. There will still be room for debate of the 
> proposal in the context of the next draft.
>     HTML techniques currently describe mechanisms for 
> providing alternative content for the OBJECT and EMBED 
> elements but fail to do so for the APPLET element. There 
> should be a technique to use the "alt" attribute or embedded 
> content of APPLET to provide text alternatives. The embedded 
> content approach should be preferred since it would work in 
> the complete absence of support for the APPLET element.
>     --- Signature ---
>     Michael Cooper
>     Accessibility Product Manager, Watchfire
>     1 Hines Rd Suite 200, Kanata, ON  K2K 3C7  Canada
>     Tel: +1 (613) 599-3888 x4019
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>     Email: michaelc@watchfire.com
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