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RE: accessibility issue?

From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:42:55 -0500
Message-ID: <C46A1118E0262B47BD5C202DA2490D1A03E6117E@MAIL02.austin.utexas.edu>
To: "Kerstin Goldsmith" <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
Cc: "WAI GL \(E-mail\)" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

Hmmm. I can tell you that in the really clunky table below, JAWS 5.0
does appear to recognize associations between <td> elements in the body
and <th> elements in both the <thead> and <tfoot> when I use the "Where
am I?" keystroke for tables (alt+ctrl+NumPad5). When I navigate across a
row, JAWS only reports the <th> for the second row in the <thead>.  This
makes sense, since that's the only information that changes when you
move across the row.
Sorry for the ugly table-- I needed to do something really simple and
crude so I could hear what was happening...

== funky table example==
<th id="head" colspan="7">Days of the Week</th>
<th id="c1" scope="col">Sun.</th>
<th id="c2" scope="col">Mon.</th>
<th id="c3" scope="col">Tues.</th>
<th id="c4" scope="col">Wed.</th>
<th id="c5" scope="col">Thurs.</th>
<th id="c6" scope="col">Fri.</th>
<th id="c7" scope="col">Sat.</th>
<td headers="c1 foot">9:00</td>
<td headers="c2 foot">9:30</td>
<td headers="c3 foot">10:00</td>
<td headers="c4 foot">10:30</td>
<td headers="c5 foot">11:00</td>
<td headers="c6 foot">11:30</td>
<td headers="head c7 foot">12:00<td>
<th id="foot" colspan="7">Times of the day: Morning</th>

"Good design is accessible design."

Dr. John M. Slatin, Director 
Accessibility Institute
University of Texas at Austin 
FAC 248C 
1 University Station G9600 
Austin, TX 78712 
ph 512-495-4288, fax 512-495-4524 
email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu 
Web http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kerstin Goldsmith [mailto:kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:47 PM
To: John M Slatin
Cc: WAI GL (E-mail)
Subject: Re: accessibility issue?

Hmmm.  Not good.  I was able to make tables, but just not get to the 
point where a new row could be created.  Basically, the function is to 
have a footer cell at the bottom of the table, with no association 
(SCOPE, ids headers) with a button that adds another row to the table 
when selected.  To me, I am just wondering whether or not it requires 
association, and if so, what?  The footer cell is not related to the 
rest of the data table, per se ... so, would some kind of labeling be 
enough?  And if so, then what would automated checkers do with such a 

Is that enough to go on?  Smile.

John M Slatin wrote:

>Tried to check it out but the action attribute for the form and the src

>attribute for the scripts are relative URIs that point to something on 
>one of your servers so I don't get a table when I save the page 
>"Good design is accessible design."
>Dr. John M. Slatin, Director
>Accessibility Institute
>University of Texas at Austin 
>FAC 248C 
>1 University Station G9600 
>Austin, TX 78712 
>ph 512-495-4288, fax 512-495-4524 
>email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu 
>Web http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On 
>Behalf Of Kerstin Goldsmith
>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:44 PM
>To: WAI GL (E-mail)
>Subject: accessibility issue?
>I see some reference to footers in WCAG 2.0, but can someone take a 
>at the attached two peices of code and let me know professional 
>about whether or not they present accessibility issues --- suggested
>fixes would be great, too. 
>Thanks for any insight -- I can't quite figure this one out on my own 
Received on Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:42:57 UTC

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