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RE: Action item: new examples for Guideline 3.1

From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:14:53 -0500
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To: "Joe Clark" <joeclark@joeclark.org>, "WAI-GL" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

Help me out, Joe.  If suggesting that users check the URL is a good way
to help people confirm that they've arrived at the right place, doesn't
that impose a more intrusive requirement on content providers-- to
provide meaningful filenames?  How does that work when the pages *and*
the URLs are dynamically generated, and the URL contains a set of
variables and values rather than text that's meaningful to people?

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-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Clark
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: Action item: new examples for Guideline 3.1

> *        Example 1. A page title includes a phrase that appears in
> text in the navigation bar.
> The phrase "Compliance checking" appears as a link in a navigation 
> bar. The same phrase is included in the <title> element of the linked 
> page, so users can be certain that the link has worked correctly.

What in the world is this all about? Suddenly we have to duplicate
<title> in an <a> somewhere? This is not the way to enable "users [to]
be certain that the link has worked correctly." I mean, check your URL
or something, why don'tcha?

We can use whatever title we want for a document and whatever text we
in a link. It's author's choice, and the author will do what he or she 
feels right. There are better and worse practices, but it is ridiculous 
to think that authors must be *forced* to use the <title> of whatever 
they're linking to. What if the destination of the link is a crappy
possibly with *no* <title>?

We also have the title *attribute* for the <a> element which, along with
link text, can add much more richness and usable meaning than this
pie-in-the-sky hypothesis.


    Joe Clark | joeclark@joeclark.org
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Received on Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:14:50 UTC

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