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RE: comments 1, 3 and 6

From: Robert Neff <robert.neff@uaccessit.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:20:41 -0600
To: "'Matt May'" <mcmay@bestkungfu.com>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <004101c1d11e$45ca1460$0000a398@uac1>
Food for thought. Been thinking about the button created by input=image.
This is widely used and don't think it can be avoided as it is also
widely noted in many books.  If you think the coordinates do not need to
be posted, then may I suggest keep them off, however, u can always put a
note that some browsers may require this.

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Subject: Re: comments 1, 3 and 6

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Neff" <robert.neff@uaccessit.com>

> Comment 1.  Under forms, rules, the document states the "graphical
> submit button created with INPUT, type="image" creates a type of
> server-side image map."  However, in the "Technique for specific
> controls", it states to us the "alt" tag.  This was a big issue on a
> design project a couple of years back. Suggest we reword any possible
> ambiguity or interpretation.

If HTML 4.01 is the baseline for this document, I think the solution
be to use the "button" element, which would allow authors to add HTML
including images to button faces, rather than using "input type=image".
not sure how all user agents support button, however. (There is a
section in
the techniques XML to add implementation details from one UA to another,

Alternately, I think we should require that the site be usable when
type=image" is sent with x and y coordinates of 0, which is what IE and
Netscape send when an image input is activated by keyboard. Since almost
instances of image inputs that I've ever seen ignore the coordinates,
would be a minor concession to be made only by those who are using the x
y values.

> Comment 3.  Timeout as it applies to session or state management.
> would apply to log on, forms to collect or submit data, for example
> contribution or purchase, and moving back and forth between a site.
> Issue: Are we going to mention this here?  I think we should.

I think where this goes, in HTML or server-side techniques, is a gray
My vote would be in server-side techniques, since HTML itself has no
of state, as it's all provided by HTTP or server magic.

> Comment 6.  Code used an example does not provide a visual cognitive
> stimuli for some people nor does it help the person just beginning to
> develop web pages, regardless of their level of exerptise
> Issue: The document needs to be more user friendly.
> Solution:  When an example is provided in HTML, also show what it
> like on the same page or provide a link to another document.

This is already part of the plan. The code will be transformed into HTML
where applicable (no point doing it for the "title" element, for
and the XML document also provides for screen shots of how the document
appears in various browsers, and hopefully sound files of output from
readers and the like.

Received on Thursday, 21 March 2002 16:21:25 UTC

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