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RE: accessible forms /accesskey s

From: Lisa Seeman <seeman@netvision.net.il>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 05:19:37 +0200
Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Message-id: <003401c21b2d$f8be6220$3100000a@lisa>

Accessible site often have  their own access keys, but I find the usability
problem is with overriding the browser access keys (and yea you can not tell
which they are). Perhaps the problem should be an browser design to switch
between page access keys and browser default.

Lisa
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:41 AM
To: jonathan chetwynd
Cc: Lisa Seeman; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: accessible forms


Hmmm. If you mean there is no standard accesskey for doing a particular
thing
you are right.

If you consider the list of things people need accesskeys for this isn't
very
surprising. After 10 years browsers don't have a standard way to move down
one page. And editors don't have a standard way to save a document after 30
years.

Some people will want a user agent that applies a given access key in a
given
way - this is possible (for example Internet Explorer applies the key alt-f
to the file menu, and ignores whatever the page author thought it might be
helpful for). If we had xlinks with meaningful role attributes, or to a
large
extent even if people used rel attributes on HTML links, this would be a lot
easier.

But it will never be standardised across browsers I don't think - there are
too many people who have got used to their favourite and will want to make
sure anything they use does their favourite key mappings. There is one
screen
reader for Windows (I forget which) that provides the ability to use
differnt
key mappings as a sales feature, and a lot of the software I use does too.

Cheers

Charles

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, jonathan chetwynd wrote:


  unfortunately access keys dont have a standard, to my knowledge.
  tx
  j
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Lisa Seeman" <seeman@netvision.net.il>
  To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
  Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:00 AM
  Subject: Re: accessible forms


  >
  > My favorite way: access keys
  > If all form elements have a sequential access key, and your up to "j"
  press
  > alt "k" and move on.
  > I also put a page map at the top of each page (can be done invisibly)
with
  > links to page sections. You can always use access key 0 to jump back to
  the
  > page map and reorentate yourself.
  > So if you find yourself in a lengthy section that you don't want to e
in -
  > don't be there.
  > All the best,
  > and I must say, you seem on top of your subject.
  > Lisa
  >
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