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Re: Techniques 6.1.A and 3.3.A

From: Leonard R. Kasday <kasday@acm.org>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:11:40 -0500
Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000224110209.00bb1dc0@pop3.concentric.net>
To: Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>, w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org
If there is an issue with browsers not letting users override font, then 
this is one of the "until browsers to x" issue and should be moved to there.

If it's philosophical:  I'm gonna be a radical here and suggest that we not 
push for anything which is just philosophical.  We should only push for 
things that have actual impact on how easy it is for a person with a 
disability to use the web.

We can leave it to other W3C groups to push philosophy, I think.

When I face of roomful of webmasters, I've got enough of a job convincing 
them to give up PDF, which has real impact, without spending any time 
defending philosophy.

I hope that doesn't sound too harsh.

Anyway, this is a WCAG issue and I'm going to send it over there.

Len


At 04:51 PM 2/22/00 -0500, Wendy A Chisholm wrote:
>I believe this is mostly philosophical, but also has something to do with 
>how easy it is for the user to override author settings.  do all browsers 
>allow users to override FONT settings?  I thought there was an issue with 
>font size=x and people not being able to resize text.
>--wendy
>
>At 06:59 PM 1/30/00 , Leonard R. Kasday wrote:
>>This brings up a WCAG question.  WCAG says
>>
>>>3.3 Use style sheets to control layout and presentation. [Priority 2]
>>>For example, use the CSS 'font' property instead of the HTML FONT 
>>>element to control font styles.
>>
>>
>>Obviously, one shouldn't use FONT in place of structural Markup like, 
>>e.g.,  H1.
>>
>>But what accessibility problems are there using FONT in addition to 
>>structure, for example,
>>
>><H1> <font> ... </font> </H1>
>>
>>This use of font is invisible to text based systems like 
>>Lynx.   Netscape, Internet explorer, and Opera all have settings to 
>>disable fonts... at least the current versions.  Perhaps some older 
>>versions don't have this... I don't know... but that at most would make 
>>it a priority 3.
>>
>>Is there some other consideration I'm not thinking of?
>>
>>
>>Len
>>-------
>>Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D.
>>Institute on Disabilities/UAP, and
>>Department of Electrical Engineering
>>Temple University
>>423 Ritter Annex, Philadelphia, PA 19122
>>
>>kasday@acm.org
>>http://astro.temple.edu/~kasday
>>
>>(215) 204-2247 (voice)
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>
>--
>wendy a chisholm
>world wide web consortium
>web accessibility initiative
>madison, wi usa
>tel: +1 608 663 6346
>/--

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Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D.
Institute on Disabilities/UAP, and
Department of Electrical Engineering
Temple University
423 Ritter Annex, Philadelphia, PA 19122

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