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RE: Technique 3.3.A - checking for style sheets

From: Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:50:56 -0500
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To: "Michael Cooper" <mcooper@cast.org>, <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>
I think we need to check for all of them.  Some people may use a style 
sheet for some things and FONT for others.  Therefore, going through all of 
the checks seems appropriate.
--w

At 05:24 PM 2/22/00 , Michael Cooper wrote:
>No, I wasn't suggesting we remove the evaluation to check for inline or
>external stylesheets. My interpretation of the technique is that we check
>for the presence of stylesheets (first evaluation point); if we don't find
>them, but we do find elements that should be replaced by stylesheets
>(remaining evaluation points, such as fonts, tables, etc.), then we trigger
>this technique. Is that how everyone else reads it? Maybe the wording could
>be cleared up a little bit if so.
>
>Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wendy A Chisholm [mailto:wendy@w3.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 4:43 PM
> > To: w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org; Michael Cooper
> > Subject: RE: Technique 3.3.A - checking for style sheets
> >
> >
> > I added the following to the list of triggers;
> > If layout tables are identified (see technique 5.1.1), trigger this check
> > as well.
> >
> > michael,
> > does your comment imply that we ought to get rid of the first check:
> > Check the document for presence of STYLE or LINK rel="stylesheet"
> > elements
> > within the HEAD element or use of "style" attributes throughout
> > the document.
> > --wendy
> >
> > At 07:10 PM 2/20/00 , Michael Cooper wrote:
> > >I like the idea to trigger the suggestion to use stylesheets on just a
> > >couple of elements, such as FONT, where a stylesheet can be used. I would
> > >add that it's very important to trigger this if we find a layout table as
> > >well. I think one of the big intents of stylesheets was to be able to
> > >position items that way and move away from layout tables altogether. Once
> > >CSS is widely supported, we would want to see layout tables disappear
> > >entirely.
> > >
> > >Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: w3c-wai-er-ig-request@w3.org
> > > > [mailto:w3c-wai-er-ig-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Wendy A Chisholm
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 3:48 PM
> > > > To: Leonard R. Kasday; w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Technique 3.3.A - checking for style sheets
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   I tried to incorporate your comments, Len, in the following
> > proposal.
> > > > Hopefully it conveys that if none of the presentation elements or
> > > > attributes exist then we just need to verify that structural
> > elements are
> > > > not being abused.  Perhaps this ought to link to those
> > techniques.  For
> > > > now, I suggest "verify that the author has chosen not to modify
> > > > presentation in any way."  that's pretty open-ended, perhaps
> > too much so?
> > > >
> > > > <blockquote>
> > > > Technique 3.3.1 [priority 2] Check document for use of style sheets.
> > > > Discussion Status:
> > > > awaiting discussion
> > > > Evaluation:
> > > > Check the document for presence of STYLE or LINK rel="stylesheet"
> > > > elements
> > > > within the HEAD element or use of "style" attributes throughout
> > > > the document.
> > > > Check for FONT and BASEFONT elements, and the "text," "vlink,"
> > > > "link," and
> > > > "alink" attributes on BODY.
> > > >
> > > > Example of a message to be displayed:
> > > > Use style sheets to control layout and presentation. For
> > example, use the
> > > > CSS 'font' property instead of the HTML FONT and BASEFONT elements to
> > > > control font styles
> > > >
> > > > Repair Technique:
> > > > If none of these elements are identified, verify that the author
> > > > has chosen
> > > > not to modify the presentation in any way.
> > > >
> > > > If FONT or BASEFONT elements or "text," "vlink," "link," and "alink"
> > > > attributes on BODY, suggest or help the author convert the presentatin
> > > > properties to style sheets.
> > > >
> > > > If the author chosses to convert deprecated markup to style
> > sheets or add
> > > > style sheets, trigger technique 6.1 to verify that the document
> > > > is readable
> > > > when style sheets are not applied.
> > > > </blockquote>
> > > > At 09:37 PM 1/30/00 , Leonard R. Kasday wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>Check document for presence of STYLE or LINK
> > rel="stylesheet" elements.
> > > > >>If neither occur, then provide a user notification.
> > > > >>Example Language:
> > > > >'
> > > > >What if a person simply wants to do straight HTML with nothing but
> > > > >structural elements, e.g. H1, H2, UL, <STRONG> etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >We don't want to say they must use style sheets if they have
> > no wish to
> > > > >change browser's default fonts etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >So it woulb be bettter to restrict this notification to
> > cases where some
> > > > >other means such as font is used for things that font could
> > be used for.
> > > > >
> > > > >Len
> > > > >-------
> > > > >Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D.
> > > > >Institute on Disabilities/UAP, and
> > > > >Department of Electrical Engineering
> > > > >Temple University
> > > > >423 Ritter Annex, Philadelphia, PA 19122
> > > > >
> > > > >kasday@acm.org
> > > > >http://astro.temple.edu/~kasday
> > > > >
> > > > >(215) 204-2247 (voice)
> > > > >(800) 750-7428 (TTY)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > wendy a chisholm
> > > > world wide web consortium
> > > > web accessibility initiative
> > > > madison, wi usa
> > > > tel: +1 608 663 6346
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> > > >
> >
> > --
> > wendy a chisholm
> > world wide web consortium
> > web accessibility initiative
> > madison, wi usa
> > tel: +1 608 663 6346
> > /--
> >

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wendy a chisholm
world wide web consortium
web accessibility initiative
madison, wi usa
tel: +1 608 663 6346
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