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Re: Prompt vs Ask

From: Leonard R. Kasday <kasday@acm.org>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:26:15 -0400
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991022122611.00e607cc@pop3.concentric.net>
To: "Chris Ridpath" <chris.ridpath@utoronto.ca>, "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net>
Cc: "Evaluation & Repair Interest Group" <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>, "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>, "Phil Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
Chris, Gregory

In response to Chris's question about a definition for Prompt, 

As Gregory pointed out, the AU definition of Prompt is

quote
Prompts are requests for user input, either information 
or a decision. Prompts require author response. 
unquote

I would want to add to this definition something which would make explicit
what I believe we have consensus on:

"Prompts can be implemented in various ways, e.g. fields in a form,
commands, or "wizard" style dialog boxes.  Any responses they require need
not be immediate.  The user shall be able to postpone responses"

The last sentence addresses something Marja has stressed.

Also, although I'm happy with the word "require", in that definition, it
seems to contradict something else Gregory said about feelings within AU.

Gregory said a few emails ago, regarding the suggested wording  "Require
the user to provide alternate text for the image"

quote
   the reason such verbiage probably wouldn't fly with the AU WG, however, is
   that "Require" has restrictive connotations 
unquote

Is that a problem?

Len




At 10:57 AM 10/22/99 -0400, Chris Ridpath wrote:
>My vote goes for 'prompt'.
>
>Len - where is a good definition of 'prompt' that we can use for a glossary?
>
>Chris
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Leonard R. Kasday <kasday@acm.org>
>To: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
>Cc: Evaluation & Repair Interest Group <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>; Charles
>McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>; Phil Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 10:52 AM
>Subject: Re: Prompt vs Ask
>
>
>> Gregory,
>>
>> Linking Prompt to the definition does indeed calm me down on this, given
>> that you don't object to hearing prompt prompt prompt prompt prompt as you
>> tab though the links.  So it's OK by me, speaking personally that is.
>>
>> Do we have group consensus that we let the word "Prompt" stand but link it
>> to it's definition in the ERT document?
>>
>> Len
>>
>>
>> At 06:02 PM 10/21/99 -0400, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote:
>> >aloha, len!
>> >
>> >i like your reformulation,
>> >quote
>> >   Require the user to provide alternate text for the image
>> >unquote
>> >
>> >the reason that such verbiage probably wouldn't fly with the AU WG,
>> however, is
>> >that "Require" has restrictive connotations -- such as, if you don't add
>ALT
>> >text, i won't let you save this page or publish straight to the web...
>> >developers whose advice has been solicited by the AU WG bristle at such a
>> >connotation, and while the ATAG doesn't preclude a developer from
>instituting
>> >such a restrictive policy, it certainly doesn't require such Draconian
>> >measures, either...
>> >
>> >(Note: ASWedit, an authoring tool that works in the Unix/Linux
>environment,
>> >won't let you save a page with invalid markup as html, or so i've been
>> told --
>> >for more details, consult Charles' McN's evaluation of ASWedit, located
>at:
>> >        http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/reviews/asWedit4.0-atag-19990903.html)
>> >
>> >as for hyperlinking the term "Prompt" to a definition, that is precisely
>what
>> >the AU WG resolved to do...
>> >
>> >the proposed re-insertion of the term "Prompt" in ATAG checkpoint 4.2, by
>the
>> >way, was originally questioned by a W3C member organization's
>> representative to
>> >the AU WG, who was satisfied that his concerns (and the concerns raised
>by
>> >developers in the corporation which he represents, and from whom he had
>> >solicited feedback on ATAG) were allayed by simply hyperlinking to the
>> >definition...
>> >
>> >gregory.
>> >
>> >
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>> Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D.
>> Institute on Disabilities/UAP, and
>> Department of Electrical Engineering
>> Temple University
>>
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>> kasday@acm.org
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>
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Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D.
Institute on Disabilities/UAP, and
Department of Electrical Engineering
Temple University

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