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From: Liddy Nevile <Liddy.Nevile@motile.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:17:46 +1100
Message-Id: <a0510030ab8b04df66986@[203.54.24.187]>
To: w3c-wai-au@w3.org
In general - well done Jan. it looks very good. And the inclusion of 
info wrt education will be very useful, I believe, so glad we have 
managed that.

Liddy

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Picky picky ---


  For example, if an authoring tool for designing on-line courses 
(courseware) a prefabricated chat facility that the instructor can 
drag on to their page, this component must comply with all the 
techniques for accessible output (guidelines 1-6) and accessible user 
interface (guideline 7).

should be:

  For example, if an authoring tool for designing on-line courses 
(courseware) HAS a prefabricated chat facility that the instructor 
can drag on to their page, this component must comply with all the 
techniques for accessible output (guidelines 1-6) and accessible user 
interface (guideline 7).

word processors that save as markup formats.

SHOULD BE

word processors that save IN markup formats.  ????

Tools that assist authors to create multimedia Web content without 
allowing access to the raw markup or code of the output format.

CONTRADICTS THE DEFINITION ABOUT IT SO IT SHOULD BE:

Tools that assist authors to create multimedia Web content without 
THE AUTHOR HAVING CONTROL OVER the raw markup or code of the output 
format.

FOR CONSISTENCY WITH WHAT FOLLOWS. BTW,  I ASSUME THAT ACCESS TO CODE 
IS IRRELEVANT UNLESS IT COMES WITH CONTROL OVER CODE???



WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF THE DEFINITION
Tools for converting content from one format to another. This 
includes tools for changing the format of images, for conversion of 
other document formats to XHTML, and tools for importing document 
formats.

WERE A LITTLE MORE EXPLICIT, ESP TO INCLUDE COURSEWARE, LIKE:
Tools for converting content from one format to another. This 
includes tools for changing the format of images, for conversion of 
other document formats to XHTML, and tools for importing document 
formats AND DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS AND SERVERS.

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Enable the author to produce metadata that can be used to construct 
an accessible version of the output. For example, when producing 
image formats that do not allows the inclusion of alternative 
information within them, use Dublin Core metadata to incorporate 
description, title information, or "foaf" metadata to identify people 
depicted in images.[T????] @@CMN

Enable the author to produce metadata that can be used to construct 
an accessible version of the output. For example, when producing 
image formats that do not ALLOW the inclusion of alternative 
information within them, use Dublin Core metadata to incorporate 
description, title information, or "foaf" metadata to identify people 
depicted in images.[T????] @@CMN

THE SUGGESTED ADDITION TO ATAG CHECKPOINT 1.2

When generating a natural language translation of text, produce the 
simplest and clearest possible use of the new language. [T????] @@CMN 
Proposal@@

SEEMS TO ME TO NEED SOME BETTER WORKING - 'THE SIMPLEST AND CLEAREST 
POSSIBLE' !!!  I THINK THE AIM IS TO SUPPORT, EG  PEOPLE WHO NEED 
LITERAL AS OPPOSED TO METAPHORIC OR POETIC TEXT BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE 
SPELT OUT MORE CLEARLY, I THINK.

ATAG 1.3
Ensure that when the tool automatically generates markup ...

I THINK THIS SHOULD BE
Ensure that when the tool automatically generates CONTENT OR markup

BECAUSE I THINK THE CONTENT OF AN ALT TAG IS NOT THE TAG (AM I WRONG 
ABOUT THIS????)

I THINK
WCAG 2.1 (P1) Ensure information provided with color is also provided without.

MAKES MORE SENSE AS
WCAG 2.1 (P1) Ensure information provided with color is also 
AVAILABLE without COLOR.

(ACTUALLY, WITHOUT COLOUR TOO!!!)

ATAG CHECKPOINT 1.4

For tools that allow author's to create their own templates,

SHOULD BE

For tools that allow AUTHORS to create their own templates,

AND
Ensure that all templates provided by the tool conforms to the 
following WCAG10 checkpoints
SHOULD BE
Ensure that all templates provided by the tool CONFORM to the 
following WCAG10 checkpoints

AND THE TEMPLATES - UNLESS THE NAV BAR IS ON THE LHS, I DON'T THINK 
PEOPLE WILL BE INTERESTED IN THEM -

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ATAG 2.1

  When creating documents or markup languages, make full use of W3C 
Recommendations (see WCAG10 11.1). For example, use MathML for 
mathematical Web content and XHTML, MathML, and DOM scripting to 
implement a dynamic-interactive spreadsheets.

SHOULD BE
  When creating documents or markup languages, make full use of W3C 
Recommendations (see WCAG10 11.1). For example, use MathML for 
mathematical Web content and XHTML, MathML, and DOM scripting to 
implement [DELETE THE 'A'] dynamic-interactive spreadsheets.

tools may be designed in a modular fashion to allow new markup 
languages and formats to be supported late in the development cycle 
or even after deployment.

MIGHT BE BETTER AS

  modular DESIGN OF TOOLS PROVIDES FOR new markup languages and 
formats to be supported late in the development cycle or even after 
deployment.

ATAG 2.3
a tool must somehow inform the author
SEEMS UNNECESSARY WHEN
a tool must [DELETE SOMEHOW] inform the author

MEANS THE SAME

I THINK
   If the tool produces inaccessible markup, whether it is valid or 
not, see ATAG10 4.1 for checking techniques.
IS TRYING TO SAY
   If the tool produces VALID markup, see ATAG10 4.1 for ACCESSIBILITY 
checking techniques.
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Provide a preview mode that displays alternative content. Although 
this can give authors a clear understanding of some problems very 
easily, it should be made clear that there are many ways in which a 
page may be presented
MIGHT BE BETTER AS

Provide a preview mode that displays alternative content. Although 
this MAY QUICKLY give authors a clear understanding of some problems 
[DELETE very easily], THEY  [DELETE it] should be WARNED [DELETE made 
clear that] there are many OTHER UNPREDICTABLE ways in which a page 
may be presented

WHEN DEALING WITH THIS
Short Text Labels (for alternate text, titles, etc.): These types of 
alternative equivalents require only short text strings from the 
author, so the prompts for them may be best located as text boxes 
within property dialogs, etc. An important consideration is that the 
function of the object (decorative, button, spacer, etc.) will be 
important to the instructions given to the author on what to write. 
The object function may be prompted for or discovered by automated 
heuristics.
WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE TWO BITS - ONE CHOSEN FROM A CONTROLLED 
VOCAB THAT SAYS WHAT THE FUNCTION OF THE OBJECT IS, AND ANOTHER THAT 
IS THE TEXT TO BE TYPED IN??? MAYBE THIS IS A MATTER FOR WCAG??? BUT 
IF THE FUNCTION WERE DECLARED, WOULDN'T THE TEXT BIT BE MORE EASILY 
TESTED? AND SOMETIMES MORE EASILY GENERATED AUTOMATICALLY? SO A 
TECHNIQUE IS TO HAVE A PULL-DOWN LIST OF THE FUNCTIONAL VOCAB.

Transcripts of Audio or Video: The author should be prompted for the 
location of a preexisting transcript of the audio or video. Failing 
this, one will have to be created. Although transcript writing is an 
involved process for long media files, tools might include simple 
transcription writing suites (with built-in media players) for short 
media files.
MIGHT BE BETTER AS
Transcripts of Audio or Video: The author should be prompted for the 
location of a preexisting transcript of the audio or video. Failing 
this, one will have to be created. Although transcript writing is A 
COMPLEX process for long media files, tools might include simple 
transcription writing suites (with built-in media players) for short 
media files.

AND
  The creation of captions can be a time consuming process, however, 
public domain tools do exist for relatively simply creating captions
SHOULD BE
  The creation of captions can be time consuming BUT public domain 
tools do exist for relatively simply captions CREATION.

AND
The creation of signed translation video files are obviously beyond 
the average author, however, new technologies may soon make it 
possible for automated sign language animation to be generated from 
text.
MIGHT BE BETTER AS
The creation of signed translation video files IS ASSUMED TO BE 
beyond the average author BUT  technologies ARE BEING DEVELOPED for 
automated sign language animation to be generated from text.

WCAG 1.2 (P1) Provide redundant text links for server-side image map areas.
*	Image map labels: Image maps require multiple text labels 
(one fore each area) as well as redundant text links
SHOULD BE
WCAG 1.2 (P1) Provide redundant text links for server-side image map areas.
*	Image map labels: Image maps require multiple text labels 
(one FOR each area) as well as redundant text links

Audio Descriptions of Video: The author should be prompted for the 
location of a described version of the video. The recording of 
traditional video descriptions (that are encoded into the video file 
where silent periods occur in the original soundtrack) is an involved 
process that the average author is probably not equipped to 
undertake. However, technologies are becoming available that allow 
the audio description files to be stored as an externally and played, 
at the user's option, while the original video is automatically 
paused.
MIGHT BE BETTER AS

Audio Descriptions of Video: The author should be prompted for the 
location of a described version of the video. The traditional 
recording of video descriptions (encoded into the video file where 
silent periods occur in the original soundtrack) is a COMPLEX 
process, MAY BE BEYOND  the average author. However, technologies are 
becoming available that allow  audio description files to be stored 
externally and played, at the user's option, while the original video 
is automatically paused.
DOES AUTOMATICALLY PAUSED WORK HERE? SHOULD IT BE ACCOMPANIED BY 
SOMETHING ABOUT MAKING THE VIDEO USER CONTROLLED?

RE WCAG 5.3
Alternative Information: The author should be prompted for the 
location of the alternative content. If this fails, the tool might 
start the author off by stripping the problematic element (table, 
dynamic content, etc.) from a copy of the content.
IS NOT VERY CLEAR. DOES IT MEAN SOMETHING LIKE

Alternative Information: The author should be prompted for the 
location of the alternative content. If THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE 
CONTENT, THE TOOL MIGHT SUPPORT THE AUTHOR BY PROVIDING A COPY OF THE 
CONTENT WITH THE PROBLEMATIC FORMATTING REMOVED.

RE WCAG 14.2

Since prompting the author about every instance of text is untenable,
MIGHT BE BETTER AS
Since prompting the author about every instance of text is INTOLERABLE,

ATAG 3.2
Help the author create structured content and separate information 
from its presentation as required by the following WCAG10 
checkpoints. (Note: An asterix (*) denotes those WCAG checkpoints 
that involve the inclusion of equivalent alternative information, 
which although related to the separation of information from 
presentation, is already covered by ATAG 3.1) [T0119]:
SHOULD PROBABLY BE
Help the author create structured content and separate information 
from its presentation as required by the following WCAG10 
checkpoints. (Note: An asterix (*) denotes those WCAG checkpoints 
that involve the inclusion of equivalent alternative information 
which, [MOVE THE COMMA] although related to the separation of 
information from presentation, is already covered by ATAG 3.1) 
[T0119]:

RE WCAG 9.1
geographic map the input might be used to lookup latitude and 
longitude of a point and then give information about that point. 
[T0154] (Suggested)


SHOULD BE
geographic map the input might be used to LOOK UP latitude and 
longitude of a point and then give information about that point. 
[T0154] (Suggested)
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