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RE: New Requirements Draft

From: Yaron Goland <yarong@microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:10:09 -0700
Message-ID: <11352BDEEB92CF119F3F00805F14F485037BC1F5@RED-44-MSG.dns.microsoft.com>
To: "'Judith Slein'" <slein@wrc.xerox.com>
Cc: "'Martin J. D|rst'" <mduerst@ifi.unizh.ch>, w3c-dist-auth@w3.org
I do not have see why that requires any special support through accept
headers. This sort of functionality can equally be supported through
properties which reference the various printing types. Either way,
printing is out of scope of WebDAV but in scope for Internet Printing
Protocol, which is an IETF working group.
	Yaron

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Judith Slein [SMTP:slein@wrc.xerox.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:56 AM
> To:	Yaron Goland
> Cc:	'Martin J. D|rst'; 'Judith Slein'; w3c-dist-auth@w3.org
> Subject:	RE: New Requirements Draft
> 
> Since high quality printer support is the main thing Xerox customers
> expect
> of us, one of our primary concerns is to be able to manage multiple
> renditions, optimized for different print engines.
> 
> --Judy
> 
> At 10:57 AM 8/27/97 PDT, Yaron Goland wrote:
> >The requirements document is used to determine what are legitimate
> >topics for discussion within the working group. It does not exist to
> be
> >a shopping list of hopes and dreams.
> >
> >Furthermore Martin, you make some very sweeping statements such as
> "And
> >variants are a significant component of every serious web site, and a
> >web authoring system that cannot deal with them, or a protocol for
> such
> >systems that cannot deal with them, isn't much more than a toy
> system."
> >
> >Would you care to back this up with some facts? What is a "serious"
> web
> >site? Which of these "serious" web sites use variants? What
> percentage
> >of all web sites are "serious" and use variants? What commercial
> systems
> >deploy with built in support for variant handling? How many people
> use
> >those systems? Of the people using those systems, how many actually
> use
> >the variant features? How many web sites use variants as opposed to
> >having a "choose English here" tag? How many web sites that use
> variants
> >do so through their own custom code? How many web sites handle
> primarily
> >language variants by having an initial detection of the
> accept-language
> >tag and then redirect the person to an entire site in a single
> language?
> >
> >			Yaron
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:	Martin J. Dürst [SMTP:mduerst@ifi.unizh.ch]
> >> Sent:	Wednesday, August 27, 1997 3:10 AM
> >> To:	Yaron Goland
> >> Cc:	'Judith Slein'; w3c-dist-auth@w3.org
> >> Subject:	RE: New Requirements Draft
> >> 
> >> On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Yaron Goland wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I strongly object to 5.11.2, with or without a warning that we
> can
> >> not
> >> > find a satisfactory solution.
> >> > 
> >> > There is consensus that we wish to be able to lock multiple
> >> resources
> >> > simultaneously, it just isn't clear if we can write up a
> >> satisfactory
> >> > standard to meet this requirement.
> >> > 
> >> > However there is not consensus on dealing with variants. Many
> folks,
> >> > myself included, believe that this is out of scope for the group
> and
> >> > should not be a goal.
> >> 
> >> I'm not happy with the title of 5.11.2, which reads "Language
> >> Variants".
> >> The text is okay, as it is general. Although I think language
> variants
> >> are very important, I do not think they can be dealt with in
> isolation
> >> from other variants. The title should be changed to "Variants", and
> >> laguage variants, together with other variants, should be
> mentionned
> >> in the text as examples.
> >> 
> >> As for the requirement in general, I think the title of this group
> >> is distributed authoring and *versioning*. Versions and variants
> >> are intimately related. And variants are a significant component of
> >> every serious web site, and a web authoring system that cannot
> >> deal with them, or a protocol for such systems that cannot deal
> >> with them, isn't much more than a toy system.
> >> 
> >> > > This document is intended to reflect the consensus of the WWW 
> >> > > Distributed Authoring and Versioning working group (WebDAV) as
> to
> >> the 
> >> > > functionality that needs to be standardized to support
> distributed
> >> 
> >> > > authoring and versioning on the Web.
> >> 
> >> Please note that this document only speaks about what we think is
> >> needed, not what we agree we want to work on. I know quite some
> >> people who seriously need support for variants. I guess those
> >> people who work on the Microsoft web sites would easily qualify
> >> (although I don't know them).
> >> 
> >> Regards,	Martin.
> >
> >
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Received on Wednesday, 27 August 1997 16:13:39 GMT

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