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Re: status and problems on sematicweb.org

From: Yury Katkov <katkov.juriy@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:49:28 +0400
Message-ID: <CAAT7DEGZewRvUqU7xCQ8fNf=4Z610phHMESUxvBrxKGda5BjNQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Michael Hausenblas <michael.hausenblas@deri.org>
Cc: Markus Krötzsch <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk>, Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
Hello everyone!

Back to spam issues.
I've created a page related to spam cleaning and spam prevention. I'm
planning to start cleaning actions soon enough.

Here is it: http://semanticweb.org/wiki/semanticweb.org:Fighting_spam

Everybody can add other ways you know to fight spam and of course
volunteers are very welcome (you can register in Volunteers sections).

Sincerely yours,
-----
Yury Katkov, WikiVote llc




On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Michael Hausenblas <
michael.hausenblas@deri.org> wrote:

>
>  This is only weakly related to this wiki site discussion but should be
>> easy to solve anyway. Short answers:
>>
>> * Subdomains of semanticweb.org are managed independently and (mainly)
>> on different servers run by different people. The responsibility is with
>> the people who asked for the subdomain. Stefan Decker is managing the
>> domain registration and should know who is responsible in cases where it is
>> not clear from the web page.
>>
>
>
> Exactly.
>
>
>
>  * Content of earlier versions of semanticweb.org has not been migrated
>> in the last relaunch of the site a few years ago. As long as it is just
>> static HTML content that does not conflict with new content (i.e., if there
>> is nothing else under that URL now), it would be possible to put it back
>> into its place. To do this, please send me an email with the archived HTML
>> content and let me know where to put it. I do not have access to any old
>> versions of the site, so I cannot help in finding the old content.
>>
>
>
> Maybe we should also have a look at http://semanticweb.org/wiki/**
> Special:PopularPages <http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Special:PopularPages>to figure what is relevant or not (modulo person-pages and long tail).
> Happy to invest some time content-wise ...
>
>
> Cheers,
>        Michael
> --
> Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow
> LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre
> DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute
> NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway
> Ireland, Europe
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>
> On 13 Jan 2012, at 08:57, Markus Krötzsch wrote:
>
>  On 12/01/12 18:39, Bernard Vatant wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> A related issue is that under semanticweb.org <http://semanticweb.org>
>>> domain or subdomains are living several vocabularies (ontologies), some
>>> of them are used in the linked data space, either by published data sets
>>> or other vocabularies relying on them.
>>>
>>
>> This is only weakly related to this wiki site discussion but should be
>> easy to solve anyway. Short answers:
>>
>> * Subdomains of semanticweb.org are managed independently and (mainly)
>> on different servers run by different people. The responsibility is with
>> the people who asked for the subdomain. Stefan Decker is managing the
>> domain registration and should know who is responsible in cases where it is
>> not clear from the web page.
>>
>> * Content of earlier versions of semanticweb.org has not been migrated
>> in the last relaunch of the site a few years ago. As long as it is just
>> static HTML content that does not conflict with new content (i.e., if there
>> is nothing else under that URL now), it would be possible to put it back
>> into its place. To do this, please send me an email with the archived HTML
>> content and let me know where to put it. I do not have access to any old
>> versions of the site, so I cannot help in finding the old content.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Markus
>>
>>
>>> But their status is variable. Examples :
>>>
>>> http://data.semanticweb.org/**ns/swc/ontology<http://data.semanticweb.org/ns/swc/ontology>is alive and well so far
>>> and re-used e.g., by http://online-presence.net/**opo/ns<http://online-presence.net/opo/ns>
>>>
>>> http://proton.semanticweb.org/**2005/04/protons#<http://proton.semanticweb.org/2005/04/protons#>is alive and well so far
>>> and re-used e.g., by http://www.bbc.co.uk/**ontologies/sport/<http://www.bbc.co.uk/ontologies/sport/>
>>>
>>> But
>>>
>>> http://www.semanticweb.org/**ontologies/2009/2/**HumanEmotions.owl<http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/2009/2/HumanEmotions.owl>is 404,
>>> although http://kdo.render-project.eu/**kdo<http://kdo.render-project.eu/kdo>declares that it imports it
>>> Actually http://semanticweb.org/**ontologies/<http://semanticweb.org/ontologies/>itself is 404
>>>
>>> http://knowledgeweb.**semanticweb.org/**semanticportal/OWL/**
>>> Documentation_Ontology.owl<http://knowledgeweb.semanticweb.org/semanticportal/OWL/Documentation_Ontology.owl>
>>> is 404
>>> although http://lsdis.cs.uga.edu/**projects/semdis/opus#<http://lsdis.cs.uga.edu/projects/semdis/opus#>declares many
>>> mappings to it
>>>
>>> http://data.semanticweb.org/**ns/misc<http://data.semanticweb.org/ns/misc>is 404
>>> although it is used by http://data.semanticweb.org/**ns/swc/ontology<http://data.semanticweb.org/ns/swc/ontology>
>>>
>>> And that's only what I can quickly discover using the results provided
>>> by the LOV bot which explores the Linked Open Vocabularies space.
>>>
>>> What is the bottom line of this? Data and vocabularies publishers take
>>> for granted that published vocabularies can be re-used at will and rely
>>> on them. But when a re-used vocabulary goes off-line, not only we have
>>> 404 in the linked data web, but semantics of dependent vocabularies is
>>> affected.
>>>
>>> semanticweb.org <http://semanticweb.org> is just an example.
>>> Unfortunately it's not the only one. It seems that vocabulary publishers
>>> are often not aware of their long-term responsibility. We have in the
>>> LOV project even had answers from some people mentioned as vocabulary
>>> creators who were not even aware that their vocabulary was actually
>>> still used ...
>>>
>>> But given its singular place in the semantic web space, one could think
>>> that semanticweb.org <http://semanticweb.org> should show off good
>>> practices ...
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Bernard
>>>
>>> 2012/1/12 Markus Krötzsch <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk
>>> <mailto:markus.kroetzsch@cs.**ox.ac.uk <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk>>>
>>>
>>>   Hi Yuri,
>>>
>>>   let us take this to one mailing list semantic-web@w3.org
>>>   <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>, as this is the list that is most
>>>   involved (please drop the others when you reply).
>>>
>>>   As the technical maintainer of the site, I largely agree with your
>>>   assessment. In spite of the very high visibility of the site (and
>>>   perceived authority), the active editing community is not big. This
>>>   is a problem especially given the significant and continued spam
>>>   attacks that the site is under due to its high visibility (I just
>>>   recently changed the captcha system and rolled back thousands of
>>>   edits, yet it seems they are already breaking through again, though
>>>   in smaller numbers).
>>>
>>>   I do not want to blame anybody for the state of affairs: most of us
>>>   do not have the time to contribute significant content to such
>>>   sites. However, given the extraordinary visibility of the site, we
>>>   should all perceive this as a major problem (to the extent that we
>>>   attach our work to the label "semantic web" in any way).
>>>
>>>   So what can be done?
>>>
>>>   (1) Freeze the wiki. A weaker version of this is: allow users only
>>>   to edit after they were manually added to a group of trusted users
>>>   (all humans welcome). This would require somebody to manage these
>>>   permissions but would allow existing projects/communities to
>>>   continue to use the site.
>>>
>>>   (2) Re-enforce spam protection on the wiki. Maybe this could be
>>>   done, but the site is targeted pretty heavily. Standard captchas
>>>   like ReCaptcha are thus getting broken (spammers do have an
>>>   effective infrastructure for this), but maybe non-standard captchas
>>>   could work better. This is a task for the technical maintainers
>>>   (i.e., me and the folks at AIFB Karlsruhe where the site is hosted).
>>>
>>>   (3) Clean the wiki. Whether frozen or not, there is a lot of spam
>>>   already. Something needs to be done to get rid of it. This requires
>>>   (easy but tedious) manual effort. Some stakeholders need to be found
>>>   to provide basic workforce (e.g., by hiring a student to help with
>>>   spam deletion).
>>>
>>>   (4) Restore the wiki. Update the main pages (about technologies and
>>>   active projects) to reflect a current and/or timeless state that we
>>>   would like new readers to see. This again needs somebody to push it,
>>>   and for writing pages about topics like SPARQL one would need some
>>>   expertise. This is a challenge for the community.
>>>
>>>   I am willing to invest /some/ time here to help with the above, but
>>>   (3) and (4) requires support from more people. On the other hand,
>>>   there are probably hardly more than 20 or 30 *essential* content
>>>   pages that we are talking about here, plus many pages about projects
>>>   and people that one should ask the stakeholders to review. So one
>>>   might be able to make this into a shining entry point to the
>>>   semantic web in a week of work ... together with (1) and (2) above,
>>>   the invested work would remain valuable for a long time.
>>>
>>>   Cheers
>>>
>>>   Markus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On 12/01/12 10:43, Yury Katkov wrote:
>>>
>>>       Hi everyone!
>>>
>>>       What is the current status of the semanticweb.org
>>>       <http://semanticweb.org>
>>>       <http://semanticweb.org> website? It used to be the main wiki
>>>       about the
>>>
>>>       semantic web, it has a lot of cool and useful information about
>>>       everything. But now it seems abandoned. I mean, there are about
>>>       30 real
>>>       writers who update the information about their projects an write
>>>       articles, but they do something like 30% of changes. The other
>>>       70% is spam!
>>>
>>>       Are there guys who support the website?
>>>       Who manages the community, are there any plans of creating
>>>       projects and
>>>       articles about SW? Is there community at all?
>>>
>>>       In my opinion if this great website suppose to be alive the
>>>       first goal
>>>       is to find volunteers who'll help administrator to combat spam
>>> (with
>>>       bots, extensions and editing policies) and support the new
>>>       activities
>>>       and projets on the wiki. (I'm ready to be one of them).
>>>       If this wiki lived only in the past when it was a big hype around
>>>       Semantic Web topics and now without a big funding nobody wants
>>>       to use it
>>>       - wouldn't it better to be frozen?
>>>
>>>       I appreciate and admire people who started up the wiki. Please,
>>>       don't
>>>       let it be the rotting memorial to the past of the Semantic Web.
>>>       -----
>>>       Sincerely yours,
>>>       Yury Katkov, WikiVote llc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   --
>>>   Dr. Markus Kroetzsch
>>>   Department of Computer Science, University of Oxford
>>>   Room 306, Parks Road, OX1 3QD Oxford, United Kingdom
>>>   +44 (0)1865 283529 <tel:%2B44%20%280%291865%**20283529>
>>>   http://korrekt.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Bernard Vatant
>>> *
>>> Vocabularies & Data Engineering
>>> Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59
>>> Skype : bernard.vatant
>>> Linked Open Vocabularies <http://labs.mondeca.com/**dataset/lov<http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov>
>>> >
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>>
>> --
>> Dr. Markus Kroetzsch
>> Department of Computer Science, University of Oxford
>> Room 306, Parks Road, OX1 3QD Oxford, United Kingdom
>> +44 (0)1865 283529               http://korrekt.org/
>>
>>
>
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