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Re: Show me the money - (was Subjects as Literals)

From: Nathan <nathan@webr3.org>
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 13:35:57 +0100
Message-ID: <4C2DDD2D.70903@webr3.org>
To: Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net>
CC: Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com>, Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
Patrick Durusau wrote:
> Henry,
> 
> On 7/2/2010 6:03 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>> On 2 Jul 2010, at 11:57, Patrick Durusau wrote:  
>>> On 7/2/2010 5:27 AM, Ian Davis wrote:    
>>>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Patrick 
>>>> Durusau<patrick@durusau.net>   wrote:   
>>>>> I make this point in another post this morning but is your argument 
>>>>> that
>>>>> investment by vendors =
>>>>>          
>>>> I think I just answered it there, before reading this message. Let me
>>>> know if not!
>>>>        
>>> I think you made a very good point about needing examples so user can 
>>> say: "I want to do that."
>>>
>>> Which was one of the strong points of HTML.
>>>      
>> Ok, what users will want is the Social Web. And here is the way to 
>> convince people:
>> "The Social Network Privacy Mess: Why we Need the Social Web"
>>
>>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=994DvSJZyww&feature=channel
>>
>>
>> ( This can of course be improved) The general ideas should be clear:
>>
>>   dystopia: we cannot have all social data centralised on one server.
>>   utopia: there is a lot of money to be made in creating the social 
>> web, and thereby
>>      increasing democracy in the world.
>>
>>   This can ONLY be done with linked data. And there is a real need for 
>> it.
>>
>>    
> Several presumptions:
> 
> 1) "there is a lot of money to be made creating the social web" - ? On 
> what economic model? Advertising? Can't simply presume that money can be 
> made.

If I may :) I'd recommend having a read of the CloudStorage design issue 
[1] - this puts forward not just a way to make money, but describes an 
entirely new model/marketplace that opens doors for everybody to make 
money, save money, become more efficient and have a waiting community 
potentially the size of the web - regardless of whether they work in 
their bedroom or are a multinational enterprise. For some inspiration 
you need look no further than payswarm [2], the open market place or 
almost anything good relations related. The 'social web' (powered by 
linked data) is very much the enabler in all of this, which brings the 
overall web right back to what it was designed to be, a social 
collaborative space for the world to benefit from.

[1] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/CloudStorage.html
[2] http://payswarm.com/

I'll hope that a read over the aforementioned cloud storage di will help 
you align visions with henry on this a bit :)

Also, if I may - some of the meetings with Manu et al for payswarm are 
very good listening http://payswarm.com/community/meetings/

Best!

> 2) "thereby increasing democracy in the world" - ??? Not real sure what 
> that has to do with social networks. However popular "increasing 
> democracy" may be as a slogan, it is like "fighting terrorism."
> 
> Different governments and populations have different definitions for 
> both. I have my own preferences but realize there are different 
> definitions used by others.
> 
> 3) "can ONLY be done with linked data." Really? Seems like the phone 
> companies from your example did it long before linked data.
> 
> 4) "there is a real need for it." ? I get as annoyed as anyone with the 
> multiple logins and universities do have some common logins for their 
> internal systems but I am not sure I would describe it as a need. At 
> least until some survey shows that a large number of users are willing 
> to pay for such a service.
> 
> Hope you are looking forward to a great weekend!
> 
> Patrick
> 
>>     Henry
>>    
> 
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