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From: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@webbackplane.com>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:19:10 +0100
Message-ID: <ed77aa9f0905180419s7cd4095dlc3e2bc4d916e13f3@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
Cc: Damian Steer <pldms@mac.com>, semantic-web at W3C <semantic-web@w3c.org>, Thomas Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de>
Hi Dan,

I've only just got round to reading this, so thanks for all the links.

This is very exciting -- I wasn't aware of DC profiles until Peter
blogged about my UK gov/RDFa work and made reference to it. And I
certainly hadn't come across the notion of 'pidgin languages' in
relation to vocabularies, until you mentioned it here.

So this is a great set of links to prod further thinking.

Thanks!

Regards,

Mark

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org> wrote:
> On 8/5/09 12:45, Damian Steer wrote:
>>
>> On 7 May 2009, at 20:40, Mark Birbeck wrote:
>>
>>> I've used the term 'argot' to describe a collection of terms for a
>>> particular purpose. They don't necessarily all belong to the same
>>> vocabulary, but by grouping them together, it makes it easier for
>>> people to get a handle on the terms that they might use in a
>>> particular context.
>>
>> By the sounds of it this is much the same as an 'Application Profile'
>> [1] in the DC community. I tried using OWL (+ closed world reasoning) to
>> express them, which sounds similar. Your term has the virtue of brevity,
>> and I may steal it :-)
>
>        Bruce Sterling defines argot as
>
>        "the deliberately hermetic language of a small knowledge clique... a
> super-specialized geek cult language that has no traction in the real
> world." --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argot
>
> Sounds about right! ;)
>
> Re OWL/SPARQL and integrity checks, see also
> http://clarkparsia.com/weblog/2009/02/11/integrity-constraints-for-owl/ and
> http://clarkparsia.com/weblog/2009/05/07/owl-integrity-constraints-serql-and-new-sparql/
> plus the old schemarama stuff that built on query languages,
> http://ilrt.org/discovery/2001/02/schemarama/ and (seemingly offline)
> http://isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/schemarama/how.html
>
> Once upon a time, some of us had an EU project proposal that included the
> creation of a "recipies" directory, linking instance examples, SPARQL
> queries and practical use cases. The EU reviewers in their infinite wisdom
> sent the taxpayer's euros elsewhere, but I still have fondness for the idea.
>
> Re DCMI (and cc:'ing Tom Baker) it's certainly true that the Dublin Core
> effort in recent years has emphasised the combination of independently
> maintained vocabularies, rather than trying to address all needs through
> directly extending DC.
>
> * BTW if you hurry you can get a paper into the next DC conference, which
> closes today: http://www.dublincore.org/ *
>
> I encourage folk interested in this topic to take a look at the drafts on
> the Dublin Core site:
>
>    * Description Set Profiles: A constraint language for Dublin Core
> Application Profiles.
>    * A MoinMoin Wiki Syntax for Description Set Profiles.
>    * Guidelines for Dublin Core Application Profiles.
>
> all linked from http://www.dublincore.org/documents/  but here are the links
> to save a click:
> http://www.dublincore.org/documents/2008/03/31/dc-dsp/
> http://www.dublincore.org/documents/2008/10/06/dsp-wiki-syntax/
> http://www.dublincore.org/documents/2008/11/03/profile-guidelines/
>
> Also re argot, see also Tom's papers re DC as a pidgin language,
> http://www.dlib.org/dlib/october00/baker/10baker.html
> http://www.dl.slis.tsukuba.ac.jp/ISDL97/proceedings/thomas/thomas.html
>
> "Either way, real pidgins are living languages that continually evolve
> through use in public speech and the mass media. If pidgin metadata is not
> to be constrained too tightly by its own rules from evolving naturally, it
> will need a mechanism that supports such collective, ongoing negotiation."
> (this was back in 1997!)
>
> Maybe some combination of wikis and sparql could provide such a mechanism?
>
> cheers,
>
> Dan
>
>
>> [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_profile>
>>
>>
>
>



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