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Re: Putting Government Data online

From: Azamat <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:24:21 +0300
Message-ID: <006101c9f4e1$50dfc130$a104810a@homepc>
To: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Cc: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@BESTWEB.NET>
"Tim typically hid his talent under a bushel
must read : http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/GovData.html"

I much doubt that this note may have any big use. Recommend to learn more 
about the relationship of Data, Information, Knowledge and Wisdom. Good to 
start from the Ackoff's paper: "From data to wisdom."  There is a rich 
literature on the data-information-knowledge-wisdom hierarchy (pyramid), 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIKW. More advanced concepts are Linked 
Information and Linked Knowledge or the Wisdom Pyramid with meaningfully 
dynamic knowledge networks topology: full relationship as well as line, 
loop, bus, mesh, star, or tree.

It is claimed that "Linked Data allows different things in different 
datasets of all kinds to be connected." 
http://www.thenationaldialogue.org/ideas/linked-open-data.

As it is, , Linked Data looks a big mess-up of data, http://linkeddata.org/, 
with low quality content and lack of any knowledge structure or inference 
mechanism.



I share the concerns recently expressed by John Sowa on other forum:

"My major complaint about the Semantic Web is that they ignored all
the development techniques that worked successfully for years, and
they failed to provide a migration path.

Following are some of the most egregious blunders:

  1. Ignoring the fact that every major web site is built on top
     of a relational database.  The major sites use big commercial
     databases.  Smaller sites are based on LAMP -- Linux, Apache,
     MySQL, and Perl, Python, or PHP.

  2. Building RDF on top of triples, instead of the SQL n-tuples.

  3. Failing to integrate their notations with UML diagrams, which
     include type hierarchies and various notations for constraints.

If the Semantic Web had addressed these three issues from the beginning,
it would have been integrated into the mainstream of data processing in
about 3 or 4 years.  Today, we would have seen some truly spectacular
applications.
The SemWeb still has a chance, but it has to be integrated with the
mainstream of data processing before it can become the mainstream."



Azamat Abdoullaev

http://standardontology.org







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danny Ayers" <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
To: "Semantic Web" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: Putting Government Data online


> Tim typically hid his talent under a bushel
>
> must read :
> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/GovData.html
>
> -- 
> http://danny.ayers.name
> 
Received on Wednesday, 24 June 2009 15:35:40 UTC

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