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Re: What if an URI also is a URL

From: Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:42:20 +0200
Message-ID: <29af5e2d0706091942q1a2ad99al42e3f1c2cc76ace5@mail.gmail.com>
To: "M. David Peterson" <m.david@xmlhacker.com>
Cc: "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org>, r.j.koppes <rikkert@rikkertkoppes.com>, "Yuzhong Qu" <yzqu@seu.edu.cn>, "Sandro Hawke" <sandro@w3.org>, semantic-web@w3.org, swick@w3.org, phayes@ihmc.us
Suppose I use http://mdavid.name in some rdf triple. How am I supposed to
know whether it refers to the web page or the person. For example:

:alan :cantlocate <http://mdavid.name>

Do I mean that e.g. your server is broken, or that I knocked on your door
and you weren't there?

-Alan


On 6/10/07, M. David Peterson <m.david@xmlhacker.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:13:52 -0600, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org> wrote:
>
> > No. It cannot identify both a document and a person.
>
> Tim: Will all due respect... WTF?
>
> Wait, hold up.  Let me step back.  I have a *DEEP* admiration and respect
> for you.  Always have.  As such, I have to step back and realize there is
> obviously a reason why you have made this statement.  With this in mind,
>
> http://mdavid.name
>
> At this URI you will find my personal web page.  That web page links to my
> various blogs and projects that exist on the web.
>
> Embedded into this page is an OpenID delegation that specifies "Here's who
> I am.  Here's where you can go to invoke an authentication process that,
> when complete, provides reasonable assurance that I am the person who
> maintains control of that particular URI (mdavid.name) and as such I
> should be allowed access to perform the various operations I have been
> given permission to perform on your web site."
>
> So we have a web page that represents me.
>
> Embedded in that web page is the necessary information for an OpenID
> authentication service to access the necessary information that allows a
> web site that supports OpenID to authenticate me as the person who
> presently maintains control of that domain.
>
> Same HTML.  Two different purposes.  Both served.
>
> > No. It cannot identify both a document and a person.
>
> Why?  Are you suggesting that what I have done -- i.e. used a domain I
> presently maintain control over to provide information embedded into the
> same document intended to serve different purposes, and do so quite
> legitamatelly and successfully -- is in fact, wrong?  If yes, how so?  It
> works and works well.  Nothing has been broken as a result, and the same
> URI had identified both a document and a person.
>
> Care to ellaborate.
>
> --
> /M:D
>
> M. David Peterson
> http://mdavid.name | http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2354 |
> http://dev.aol.com/blog/3155
>
>
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