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Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and LinkedData

From: Azamat <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:59:54 +0300
Message-ID: <000801c7cbd1$b538a420$010aa8c0@homepc>
To: "Manola, Frank" <fmanola@acm.org>
Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>

Rarely have i seen such obtusness. Pat has said many interesting things, but 
this statement reflects the whole point of the Semantic Web. No Real 
Meanings, no Semantic Web, or  no  Universal Ontology, no Intelligent Web. 
That's it.
Azamat
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Manola" <fmanola@acm.org>
To: "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>; "[ontolog-forum] " 
<ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and LinkedData


> Rarely have I seen a better example of the dangers of quoting out of 
> context.
>
> --Frank
>
> On Jul 21, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Azamat wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Formal meaning is just a mathematical curiosity and has nothing to
>> do with Real Meanings (the kind that really Matter in Human Discourse
>> in Society, or whatever), so whenever any formal inferences are done,
>> the formal conclusions lose all their Real Meaning and are just
>> mathematical curiosities of no real significance, devoid of any Real
>> Meaning content outside some narrow abstract mathematical  domain."-----  
>> Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hayes"  <phayes@ihmc.us>
>> To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
>> Cc: <chris@bizer.de>; <linking-open-data@simile.mit.edu>; <semantic- 
>> web@w3.org>; <www-tag@w3.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and 
>> LinkedData
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> From: noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and 
>>>> LinkedData
>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:55:54 -0400
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>  I believe, however, that what we're discussing here is not just  any 
>>>>> old
>>>>>  RDF statment.  If I had made a statement that "the sky is  green", 
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>  might reasonable express the opinion "no, I think Noah has set  out a 
>>>>> false
>>>>>  statement."  The case we're discussing is different, I think.   Tim 
>>>>> is, I
>>>>>  believe, responsible for the association between the URI
>>>>>  http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i and a resource, or  we 
>>>>> may
>>>>>  assume for the sake of argument that W3C has delegated that 
>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>  to him.  Tim states that the resource so designated is himself,  then 
>>>>> he is
>>>>>  not offering an opinion: he is stating a fact about the  resource 
>>>>> that he
>>>>>  has chosen to identify with this URI.  The dbpedia folks may 
>>>>> similarly
>>>>>  establish authoritative associations between the URIs they  control 
>>>>> and
>>>>>  resources.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>  Noah
>>>>
>>>> But what observable consequences come from this within a  computational
>>>> system?
>>>>
>>>> Certainly statements like "the sky is green"
>>>>
>>>> ex:sky ex:colour ex:green .
>>>>
>>>> have consequences.  For example, if added to functionality of the 
>>>> colour
>>>> propery and uniqueness of colour objects, it is inconsistent with  the
>>>> sky being blue.
>>>>
>>>> However, what consequences can come from the association between  a URI
>>>> and a (non-information) resource?  I can't think of any, and if  there
>>>> aren't any then what is the point of arguing about the status of  such
>>>> associations?
>>>
>>> I can think of many of them. Of course, they may not be *logical* 
>>> consequences. See
>>>
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/ 
>>> 0196.html
>>>
>>> Pat
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>>
>>
> 
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