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Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and LinkedData

From: Frank Manola <fmanola@acm.org>
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:24:33 -0400
Message-Id: <C117848C-4CC0-45EE-826C-64366A61E7EE@acm.org>
Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>
To: Azamat <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>

Rarely have I seen a better example of the dangers of quoting out of  
context.

--Frank

On Jul 21, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Azamat wrote:

>
>
> "Formal meaning is just a mathematical curiosity and has nothing to
> do with Real Meanings (the kind that really Matter in Human Discourse
> in Society, or whatever), so whenever any formal inferences are done,
> the formal conclusions lose all their Real Meaning and are just
> mathematical curiosities of no real significance, devoid of any Real
> Meaning content outside some narrow abstract mathematical  
> domain."-----  Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hayes"  
> <phayes@ihmc.us>
> To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
> Cc: <chris@bizer.de>; <linking-open-data@simile.mit.edu>; <semantic- 
> web@w3.org>; <www-tag@w3.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and  
> LinkedData
>
>
>>
>>> From: noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com
>>> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and  
>>> LinkedData
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:55:54 -0400
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>  I believe, however, that what we're discussing here is not just  
>>>> any old
>>>>  RDF statment.  If I had made a statement that "the sky is  
>>>> green", Tim
>>>>  might reasonable express the opinion "no, I think Noah has set  
>>>> out a false
>>>>  statement."  The case we're discussing is different, I think.   
>>>> Tim is, I
>>>>  believe, responsible for the association between the URI
>>>>  http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i and a resource, or  
>>>> we may
>>>>  assume for the sake of argument that W3C has delegated that  
>>>> responsibility
>>>>  to him.  Tim states that the resource so designated is himself,  
>>>> then he is
>>>>  not offering an opinion: he is stating a fact about the  
>>>> resource that he
>>>>  has chosen to identify with this URI.  The dbpedia folks may  
>>>> similarly
>>>>  establish authoritative associations between the URIs they  
>>>> control and
>>>>  resources.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>  Noah
>>>
>>> But what observable consequences come from this within a  
>>> computational
>>> system?
>>>
>>> Certainly statements like "the sky is green"
>>>
>>> ex:sky ex:colour ex:green .
>>>
>>> have consequences.  For example, if added to functionality of the  
>>> colour
>>> propery and uniqueness of colour objects, it is inconsistent with  
>>> the
>>> sky being blue.
>>>
>>> However, what consequences can come from the association between  
>>> a URI
>>> and a (non-information) resource?  I can't think of any, and if  
>>> there
>>> aren't any then what is the point of arguing about the status of  
>>> such
>>> associations?
>>
>> I can think of many of them. Of course, they may not be *logical*  
>> consequences. See
>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/ 
>> 0196.html
>>
>> Pat
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