Minutes: XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #649 2016-07-05

Minutes from Tuesday’s meeting.

Jonathan

> SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
> ====================
> Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during
> this teleconference at this location in the minutes.
>
> Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent.  The subject of the
> decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if
> agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles.  If a
> decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must
> state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in
> comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new
> production>", or the like.  It should be possible to read a decision
> months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was
> properly applied.

Serialization:

Decision:  We accept the proposal in Bug 29703, comment #0.

XPath 3.1:

Decided: Adopt this text as the resolution of Bug 29700:
Comments are also not allowed in these productions except where the Comment non-terminal appears.




> NEW ACTION ITEMS
> ================
> Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during
> this teleconference at this location in the minutes.
>
> Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that
> is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were
> assigned).  This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this",
> "that") be made clear.  Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this
> problem" are DISALLOWED.  It takes a scribe only a few additional
> minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire
> WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear
> action items.  The subject of the action item should *not* require
> dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are
> accompanied by their titles.

Serialization:
Action 649-01:  Andy to implement the resolution of Bug 29703.  ETA 2016-07-12.

XPath 3.1:

Action 649-02: Jonathan to add the text "Comments are also not allowed in these productions except where the Comment non-terminal appears."
as the resolution of Bug 29700.

Action 649-03: mdyck to resolve Bug 29702 at his discretion.

QT3 Test Suite:

Action 649-04: Abel to report test results.


> ===================================================
> Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
> ===================================================
>
>
> J1. Administrative Items
>
> J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)
>
> Jonathan has been asked to take the minutes.  O'Neil has been asked to
> stand by.
>
>
> NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the
> meeting.
>
>
> Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> (This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each
> participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose
> name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the
> meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then
> the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.
>
> Josh Spiegel        - 2016-03-15, 2015-12-01, 2015-09-08
> Jonathan Robie      - 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05, 2015-09-29
> O'Neil Delpratt     - 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02, 2015-10-27
> Mike Kay            - 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01, 2015-11-10
> Liam Quin           - 2016-05-03, 2016-01-19, 2015-10-06
> Tim Mills           - 2016-05-10, 2016-03-22, 2015-12-08
> John Snelson        - 2016-05-24, 2016-01-12, 2015-07-16
> Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-06-07, 2016-02-09, 2015-10-03
> Michael Dyck        - 2016-06-14, 2016-03-08, 2015-11-17
> Adam Retter         - 2016-06-21, 2016-01-26, 2015-10-20
> Abel Braaksma       - 2016-06-27
>
>
>
> J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE
>
> Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex
> participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent
> regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.
>
>
> XML Query WG membership list:
> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org
>
> XSL WG membership list:
> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org
>
>
> Regrets:
>
>
>
>
> J1.3 Approval of agenda
>
> J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?
>
>
>
> J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items
>
> J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #648 (Abel)
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jun/0086.html

Accepted without change.

> J1.5 Review of action items
>
> NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!
>
> J1.5.1 Outstanding action items
>
>
> ACTION A-645-05: Serialization editors (AC, MSM) to discuss bug 29664
> offline and come back with a proposal.
>
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05

New ETA 2016-07-12.

> ACTION A-645-06: Serialization editors (AC, MSM) to come back with a
> proposal for bug 29665.
>
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05

New ETA 2016-07-12.

> ACTION A-645-08: TM to test the schema prepared by MSM to address the
> issue raised in bug 29658. (Depends on action A-645-07.)
>
> Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jul/0001.html

> ACTION A-645-09: JS to test the schema prepared by MSM to address the
> issue raised in bug 29658. (Depends on action A-645-07.)
>
> Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

No change.

> ACTION A-646-02: JRobie to make the changes outlined in bug 29683
> comments 2 and 3 (re map lookup).
>
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05

New ETA 2016-07-12.

> ACTION A-647-01 Michael Kay to close bug
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29555 and resolve, by
> updating the spec in alignment with his comments #15 and #16.
>
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05

New ETA 2016-07-19.

> ACTION A-647-07 Jonathan Robie to change the spec to add Tim's proposal in
> comment #21 of bug
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29586.
>
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05

New ETA 2016-07-12.

> ACTION A-648-01: in the Serialization XSD, fix the whitespace and make it
> MSXML4 compatible and fix any other issues that were raised in that thread
> (see
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jun/0078.html)
>
> Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

New ETA 2016-07-12.
Assign to Michael Sperberg-McQueen.

> ACTION A-648-02: O'Neil to generate a test report running only XQ31 and
> XP31 tests and to report internally before publishing
>
> Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

Done.

> J1.5.2 Completed action items
>
>
> ACTION A-641-11 (bug 29592) (array and map prefixes). Action on Tim to
> resolve the issue in the way suggested in the bug report.
>
> Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting
>
>
> ACTION A-646-06: Jonathan to add comment 0 of bug 29622 to the XPath spec.
>
> Status: Closed; See
> See:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jun/0079.html
>
>
> ACTION A-647-02 Jonathan Robie to accept the change in comment #2 of bug
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29693 from Abel
> Braaskma.
>
> Status: Closed; See
> See:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jun/0080.html
>
>
> ACTION A-647-03 O'Neil Delpratt to remove "MAY" tests described in bug
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29625 and close the
> bug.
>
> Status: Closed; See
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29625#c1
>
>
> ACTION A-647-04 Michael Kay to remove the function call to local:test() in
> the test described by bug
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29597.
>
> Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting
>
>
> ACTION A-647-05 Tim Mills to make the changes to the test as described in
> bug
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29676.
>
> Status: Closed; See
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29676#c2
>
>
> ACTION A-647-06 O'Neill Delpratt to remove test resolve-uri-28 describer
> in
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29381.
>
> Status: Closed; See
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29381#c6
>
>
>
> J1.6 Update on related activities
>
> J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)

No showstopper bugs right now - test results are the real bottleneck. We do not yet have a projected date for PR.

> J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)
>
>
>
> J1.7 Future Meetings
>
> J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule
>
> [V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Apr/0000.html

We will take August off.

> J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings
>
> J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings
>
> (none)
>
>
> J2. Documents For Review
>
> (none)
>
>
>
> J3. Maintenance Issues
>
> J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs
> earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches
> Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
>
> This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems
> reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.
>
>
> J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
> completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1
>
> Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
>         Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG
>         consultation.
>
>
> J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and
> XSLT WG documents
>
> (none)
>
>
>
> J4. Active Specification Development
>
>
> ** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
> If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
> independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
> then this can be brought back on the agenda.
>
>
>
> J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)
>
> J4.1.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt
>
> (none)
>
>
> J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)
>
> J4.2.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt
>
> (none)
>
>
> J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)
>
> J4.3.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt
>
>
> J4.3.1 Bug 29664 - [SER31] 9.1.17 JSON Output Method: the
> json-node-output-method Parameter
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29664
>
> Status: Pending completion of A-645-05
>
>
> J4.3.2 Bug 29665 - [SER31] JSON escaping
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29665
>
> Status: Pending completion of A-645-06
>
>
> J4.3.3 Bug 29703 - [SER31] Bring the yes/no etc of the
> serialization-parameters schema in line with the way booleans are treated
> in XSLT's xsl:output
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29703
>
> Status: Ready to discuss

Serialization:

Decision:  We accept the proposal in Bug 29703, comment #0.

Action 649-01:  Andy to implement the resolution of Bug 29703.  ETA 2016-07-12.


> J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)
>
> J4.4.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt
>
>
> J4.4.1 Bug 29700 - [XP31] ws:explicit wording on comments is a tad
> unfortunate
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29700
>
> Status: Ready to discuss

Decided: Adopt this text as the resolution of Bug 29700:
Comments are also not allowed in these productions except where the Comment non-terminal appears.

Action 649-02: Jonathan to add the text "Comments are also not allowed in these productions except where the Comment non-terminal appears."
as the resolution of Bug 29700.

>
> J4.4.2 Bug 29702 - [XP31] Production rules in the text not unambiguous as
> a result of missing annotations
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29702
>
> Status: Ready to discuss

Action 649-03: mdyck to resolve Bug 29702 at his discretion.

> J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)
>
> (none)
>
>
> J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)
>
> J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools
>
>
> J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results
>
> Status: Currently three implementers submitted results

http://dev.saxonica.com/w3c/ReportingResults31/#spec31Facilities/report.html

We could really use an additional implementation.

Action 649-04: Abel to report test results.


> J5. Progression of Work
>
> J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1,
> Serialization 3.1
>
> J5.1.1 Current status
>
> * In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports
>
> * Potential coordination of dates with XSLT 3.0
>
>
> J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression
>
> * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory
>
> * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
>
> * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
>
> * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
>
> * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
>
>
>
> J5.2 Update 3.0
>
> J5.2.1 Current Status
>
> * In Last Call Working Draft
>
> At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but found
> no great enthusiasm for doing the work.  We cannot progress without plans
> for a test suite and potential implementers.  The WG needs to decide what
> to do with this spec.
>
> Status: Ready to discuss
>
>
>
> J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite
>
>
> J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression
>
> * CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request
>
> * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory
>
> * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
>
> * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
>
> * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
>
> * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
>
>
>
> J6. Any other business
>
> J6.1 Consideration of future work
>
> J6.1.1 QT 3.2
>
> The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
> but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
> period of time after finishing the specifications.
>
>
> J6.1.2 FT 3.1
>
> Currently inadequate interest and resources
>
>
> J6.1.3 Update 3.1
>
> Currently inadequate interest and resources
>
>
>
> J7. Adjourn
>
>
>
>
> =======================
> XML Query Working Group
> =======================
>
> Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the
> 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation,
> maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
>
> Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other
> problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of
> specifications.
>
>
> Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents
>
> (none)
>
>
>
> Q2. Active Specification Development
>
> Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)
>
> Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt
>
> * The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.
>
>
> Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
> See
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
>
> * The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed
> (red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to
> be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.
>
>
> Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)
>
> Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt
>
> (none)
>
>
> Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)
>
> Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt
>
>
> (none)
>
>
> Q3. Test Suite Development
>
> Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)
>
> * Need test suite developer/manager
>
> * Need tests
>
>
>
> Q4. Any other business
>
>
>
> Q5. Adjourn
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