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Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2012 September 5

From: Paul Grosso <paul@paulgrosso.name>
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:06:37 -0500
Message-ID: <5047788D.8030201@paulgrosso.name>
To: public-xml-core-wg@w3.org

John  xx:10

[4 organizations (6 with proxies) present out of 9]

Daniel, proxy to the chair
Mohamed, proxy to the chair

Absent organizations
IBM (with regrets)
W3C (with regrets)
University of Edinbugh
Innovimax (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
Daniel Veillard (with regrets, proxy to the chair)

Our next telcon will be September 19.  Norm sends regrets.

[During the call, I had said the next telcon would be
October 5, but I had misspoken.]

> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).


> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> Charter renewal, need to rejoin
> -------------------------------
> The new XML Core WG charter has been approved:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2012JulSep/0033
> The call for participation has gone out and all WG members must
> have their AC rep rejoin the WG per
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2012JulSep/0034

Paul has seen confirmation that the following have (re)joined:
Innovimax, MarkLogic, Paul, W3C (Liam), U of E (Henry), Red Hat.

Note that, though the organization has joined, no individual
has been nominated for Innovimax, MarkLogic, or Red Hat.

John Cowan joined July 2, but that was before we were rechartered.

Also, I have not seen confirmation that the following have rejoined:
IBM (Glenn) or Jirka.

When I go to the page that is supposed to be the XML Core data base at
there are clearly a lot of people who are not really members, so
ones appearance on this page proves nothing.

ACTIONs to Liam:  (1) Clear out all the entries from
except the nine of us listed at
(2) Let us know which of the nine organizations still
need to rejoin the working group.  (3) Let us know which
of the nine organization still need to nominate a person.

> Fall TPAC
> ---------
> There will be a TPAC meeting in Lyon, France in October/November:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Mar/0006
> We have signed up to have a WG f2f there.
> Likely to attend:  Norm, Liam, Henry, Jirka, Mohamed
> Not likely to attend:  Glenn, Paul, John, Daniel
> xml-stylesheet and HTML5
> ------------------------
> Henry took an action to file a bug about xml-stylesheet
> handling.  Done:
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689
> Henry has done a lot more testing and filing of results to date.
> Henry's tests are at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/11/ssTests/
> You need to look at the README and README2 files there.
> The CSS2 spec says something about styling XML with CSS.
> Henry also notes http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML.en.html.
> Henry has filed bugs against the HTML5 spec saying that
> it should support styling XML with CSS. Currently, there are:
> [Bug 17976] New: xml-stylesheet with type=text/xsl needs to be handled 
> explicitly
> and
> [Bug 14689] xml-stylesheet with type=text/xsl needs to be handled 
> explicitly
> ACTION to Henry:  Continue to track this issue.

Liam raised an issue about a note about error recovery at

Neither Paul nor Norm thought creating such a note was
going to be particularly useful, and Paul wondered why
the XML Core WG should write a note about something that
is not XML, but we decided we would pick this up when
Liam and others can be on the call.


John gave a brief report of Micro XML.  The key issue is
whether PIs should be in, in but not in the data model, or
not allowed at all.  Namespaces have been tossed completely
meaning that one cannot have colons in names (including xml:*

> 3.  XML Test Suite.
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
> ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/
> 4.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)
> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
> 5.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
> On 2012 February 14, we published
> XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/
> Norm created a first draft XInclude 1.1 which is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/08/xinclude-11/diff.html
> Some email discussion has already occurred at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Aug/thread#msg5
> ACTION to members of the WG:  Review the draft at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/08/xinclude-11/diff.html
> and comment before or during our telcon on Sept 5.

Paul, Norm, Jirka, and John have reviewed and have no
comments (other than the items listed "TO DO").

ACTION to Henry, Glenn, Daniel, Mohamed, Liam:  Review
and comment on the XInclude 1.1 draft.

ACTION to Norm:  Add some examples, change "resource error"
to "recoverable error", and make a general sanity check pass
on the XInclude 1.1 draft.

ACTION to Paul:  Propose SOTD wording for a FPWD.

> 6.  XML Model
> Jirka reminded us that ISO published XML Model as an international
> standard.  One can buy it at
> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=54793 
> He said that the process is in order to try to allow the ISO version
> to be published for free.
> We will wait to see if it becomes freely available and then update
> our note to reference it.
> Jirka reported that the ISO process for making the ISO version
> free is a bit involved.  WG1 has to recommend to SC34 that the
> spec be made public.  This should happen at a June 2012 meeting.
> Then there is a 60 day ballot in SC34, then there is a 60 day
> ballot at the JTC1 level.  If all goes well, ISO/IEC 19757-11
> could be published at the ITTF page in late 2012.
> So it doesn't look like we'd be updating our XML Model WG Note
> before 2013.
> paul
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jun/0014
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