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Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2011 August 24

From: Grosso, Paul <pgrosso@ptc.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:46:14 -0400
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Attendees
---------
 Norm
 Paul 
 Liam
 John 

[4 organizations (5 with proxies) present out of 9]

Regrets
-------
Glenn
Henry
Daniel

Absent organizations
--------------------
IBM (with regrets)
Innovimax
Univ of Ediburgh (with regrets)
Daniel Veillard (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
Jirka Kosek

Our next telcon will be September 7.  Paul sends regrets, Norm will
chair.  

We will cancel our telcon of September 21, so our subsequent telcon 
will be October 5th.

> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>    the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>    or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
> 

Accepted.

> 
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> 
> September schedule of telcons
> -----------------------------
> Our next telcon is September 7.  Paul sends regrets, Norm will chair.
> 
> We will cancel our telcon of September 21 (neither Paul nor Norm can
> make it), so our subsequent telcon will be October 5th.
> 
> 
> TPAC week
> ---------
> TPAC will be 31 October through 4 November 2011 in Santa Clara
> California.  I think we should plan to have a f2f during this
> week: http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/ - Meeting Overview page.
> 
> Registration is now open:
> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2011/
> The XML Core WG is meeting Thursday and Friday of the TPAC week.
> 
> Likely attendance:
> 
> Probably will:  Paul, Norm, Henry, Liam
> Maybe:  Mohamed
> Most likely won't:  John, Daniel, Jirka, Glenn
> 
> 
> xml-stylesheet and HTML5
> ------------------------
> Henry started a thread at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Jul/0008
> 
> In the HTML5 spec, when dealing with the XML prolog, there is
> nothing about processing instructions, so it isn't clear that
> browsers would pick up the xml-stylesheet PI.
> 
> John Cowan said there was another part of the spec that applies
> to that process, but Henry hasn't yet followed up on that.
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Research to ensure that the xml-stylesheet PI
> is appropriately referenced from HTML5 and/or 3023bis (the XML
> media type definition).

ACTION to Henry continued.

> 
> Note that 3023bis could say that browsers should reference
> Assoc SS and process the SSPI when processing an XML resource.
> 
> 
> Extending XInclude
> ------------------
> Norm sent email on behalf of DocBook at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Jul/0013
> asking whether we want to consider extending XInclude.
> 
> The key issue is that xincluding content can often cause
> duplicate ids, and the question is whether we can define
> some kind of fix up.
> 
> Henry is skeptical about id fixup, and he considers IDs
> as obsolete technology.
> 
> Norm doesn't see how scoped identifiers solves his problem.
> See http://docbook.org/docs/transclusion-requirements/#uc-5
> for a use case.
> 
> If we provide some kind of id fixup on xinclude, we could
> provide some solutions to some use cases.
> 
> See http://www.docbook.org/docs/transclusion/#d6e180 for
> some DocBook proposals for id fixup.
> 
> We'll plan to think about this some and revisit.
> 

A processor might be able to find ids and/or idrefs if xml:id
is used and/or there is a DTD/schema available, and even if 
that is the case, fixup would only work within the included
module, but is that partial case worth augmenting XInclude.

Liam suggests the only real solution is to do a transformation,
so he doesn't feel there is an XInclude solution.

Norm will try to implement Jirka's proposals using xproc.

ACTION to Norm:  Try to implement Jirka's proposals using xproc.

> 
> 3.  XML 1.0--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata
> 
> We are creating an XML 1.0 6th Edition and XML 1.1 3rd (or
> perhaps 6th) Edition.
> 
> ACTION to John:  Update the XML sources for XML 1.0 and 1.1
> to reflect any errata and the LEIRI reference.
> 
> On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
> 
> 
> 4.  XML Test Suite.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/
> 
> 
> 5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1--see
>    http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0
>    and http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.
> 
> 
> 6.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
> 
> We had planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
LEIRIs:
> 
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition
> * XInclude 3rd Edition
> 
> We continue to wait to see what might happen with IRIbis.
> 
> 
> 7.  xml:id--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-id
> 
> 
> 8.  XML Base 2nd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base
> 
> 
> 9.  XLink 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1
> 
> 
> 10.  XInclude 3rd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
> 
> We are creating an XInclude 3rd Edition.
> 
> ACTION to Paul:  Update the XML sources for Xinclude to reflect
> any errata and the LEIRI reference.
> 
> On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
> 
> 
> 11.  Associating Stylesheets.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-ss
> 
> AssocSS 2nd Ed is now a Recommendation at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-xml-stylesheet-20101028/
> 
> 
> 12.  xml-model
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-schemas
> 
> The Second Edition has been published as a WG Note at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/NOTE-xml-model-20110811/
> 
> 
> paul
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Aug/0016
> 
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