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Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2010 August 25

From: Grosso, Paul <pgrosso@ptc.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:41:18 -0400
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We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday, 
August 25, from
          08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka
          11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka
          15:30-16:00 UTC 
          16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK  
          17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe  
on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.

Regrets from Mohamed and Jirka.

Agenda
======
1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).


2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

TPAC Nov 1-5 in Lyons, France
-----------------------------
Paul indicated that XML Core tentatively plans to have a f2f 
at TPAC, and we are currently scheduled for Monday/Tuesday
1-2 November 2010.

Likely: Henry, Mohamed, Liam, Daniel
Unlikely: Glenn, Paul, Simon, Norm, John

Registration is now open; see http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/

TAG concern wrt 3023bis, +xml media types and fragids
-----------------------------------------------------
Henry sent email about this at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2010Jun/0006

3023bis says that the +xml implies that the resource is suitable for 
processing by generic xml processors.  And it says that such xml
processors should handle fragment ids.  Specifically, handling the
fragment identifiers in an rdf+xml document is not something that a 
generic xml processor could do.

The TAG was leaning toward removing the statement from 3023bis that
says that fragid syntax and semantics is something that any generic
xml processor can handle in a +xml resource.  Noah sent email and
Norm has replied.  See the thread at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jun/thread.html#msg125

Somewhat related, Henry sent email about XML fragid interpretation at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2010Jun/0025

Norm and John prefer to allow RDF (and others) to be an exception,
but the rule is that the default treatment is as specified in
XPointer Framework.

Norm and John (among others) weighed in; see the thread at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jun/thread.html#msg125
and
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jul/thread.html#msg0

Norm's latest (as of July 26, posted July 14) is at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jul/0020

Per Noah's email at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0003
there will be no new status until September.


3.  XML 1.0--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata


4.  XML Test Suite.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite

ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite 
issues raised by Frans Englich:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/ 


5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1--see
   http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0
   and http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.


6.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri


7.  xml:id--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-id


8.  XML Base 2nd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base


9.  XLink 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1

Mohamed asked if xlink should point to xlink11; see
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2010Aug/0003

We had a discussion on August 11 where many members expressed
concern with xlink pointing to xlink11, but we were under the
impression that we had little choice, so we sent Ian email
pointing out that "xlink" should now point to the XLink 1.1 spec.

However, Ian response did not match either Henry or my expectations.
The interchange went:

> > In fact, most of us on the WG weren't really thrilled with
> > the suggestion,
> 
> Hmm, then why are we doing it?
> 
> > but Henry explained that this is something
> > you would probably want to do as soon as you noticed--and
> > I remember you doing this with XSL 1.0 and XSL 1.1 over
> > the WG's objection--so I figure it was only proper to let
> > you know about this one.
> 
> I have no urge to do it unless it's useful. Who wants this?
> 
>   _ Ian

So that puts it back to us to decide what we want to do here.


10.  XInclude 3rd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude


11.  Associating Stylesheets.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-ss

Our latest public draft is at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2010/04/xml-stylesheet/

The transition request for AssocSS is at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2010Apr/0034

We had an unsuccessful transition call last week.  See
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2010Apr/0057

The editors drafted new wording for Section 2 Conformance; see
http://www.w3.org/XML/2010/05/xml-stylesheet/
http://www.w3.org/XML/2010/05/xml-stylesheet/diff.html

Paul sent email to Daniel Glazman and TimBL requesting comment at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2010May/0012
Daniel commented at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2010Aug/0002

Liam talked to TimBL July 1 and sent some email at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2010Jul/0002
explaining what we should do next. 

At our telcon of July 28, after some discussion and a vote,
the WG agreed to add the following paragraph verbatim 
as a second paragraph to the Note in section 2:

 At the time of edition 1 (1999) the meaning of these
 p-attributes was not well specified, and at the time
 of edition 2 (2010) there is low interoperability in
 the values between implementations; future work may
 clarify this.

Henry has updated the draft at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2009/09/xml-stylesheet.html

He has meanwhile expressed serious disagreement with the
addition of this text and has removed his name as editor
of this draft.  It sounds like we should revisit this
issue given that Henry missed the previous telcon.

ACTION to Liam (once the WG has a draft to forward):  Do 
whatever is necessary to get AssocSS out as PER (asking 
Paul for a pub request if necessary).


12.  xml-model

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-schemas

This has been published as a WG Note at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-xml-model-20100415/

XML Model is being balloted by SC34 until the ? of August. 
In the middle of September SC34 will have a face-to-face meeting 
where they will discuss comments received during the ballot.

Jirka will bring SC34 comments, concerns, and proposed resolutions
back to XML Core WG in the second half of September. 


paul

[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2010Aug/0007
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