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Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2007 December 19

From: Grosso, Paul <pgrosso@ptc.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:24:19 -0500
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Attendees
---------
 Glenn
 Paul 
 Norm
 Richard 
 Henry 

[5 organizations (5 with proxies) present out of 9]

Regrets
------- 
Daniel

Absent organizations
--------------------
A-SIT
Google
Daniel Veillard (with regrets)
François Yergeau


Probable regrets from Daniel, Glenn, Richard for January 2.


> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>    the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>    or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).

Accepted.

> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> 
> We have a request from the Web Application Formats WG to review 
> the Access Control for Cross-site Requests document.  The draft 
> introduces a policy for performing cross-site requests (using GET 
> and non-GET methods) which can be used by XMLHttpRequest, XSLT, 
> <event-source>, XBL, etc.:
> 
>     http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/
> 
> Reviewing the <?access-control?> processing instruction might be 
> of particular interest to XML Core.
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Review this for XML Core.

ACTION continued.

> 
> ---
> 
> MathML WG points out an upcoming WD of 
> 
> "XML Entity definitions for Characters"
> 
> and asks if anyone in the XML Core WG would be interested in
> reviewing this.
> 
> The draft is being developed in public, 
> 
> http://www.w3.org/2003/entities
> 
> and in particular an "editor's copy" available here:
> 
> http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/2007doc/overview.html
> 
> ACTION to John:  Take a look at this.

ACTION continued.

> 
> ---
> 
> OASIS has announced another XRI document for public review:
> 
> Extensible Resource Identifier (XRI) Resolution Version 2.0
> 
> The public review starts today, 3 December 2007, and ends 
> 1 February 2008.
> 
> More non-normative information about the specification and 
> the technical committee may be found at the public home page 
> of the TC at 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=xri. 
> 
> The specification document and related files are available here:
> 
> Editable Source:
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/xri/2.0/specs/cd02/xri-resolution-V2.0-cd-02.doc
> 
> PDF:
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/xri/2.0/specs/cd02/xri-resolution-V2.0-cd-02.pdf
> 
> HTML:
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/xri/2.0/specs/cd02/xri-resolution-V2.0-cd-02.html
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Review this for XML Core.

ACTION continued.

> 
> 
> 3.  C14N 
> 
> The C14N 1.1 Candidate Recommendation is published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-xml-c14n11-20070621
> 
> Known Issues with Canonical XML 1.0 (C14N/1.0) WG Note 
> has been published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/NOTE-C14N-issues-20061220/
> 
> Using XML Digital Signatures in the 2006 XML Environment 
> WG Note has been published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/NOTE-DSig-usage-20061220/
> 
> An almost PR-ready version of C14N 1.1 is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2007/12/PR-xml-c14n11-20071211.html

Actually, it is now at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2007/12/PR-xml-c14n11-20071211/Overview.html

> 
> We are currently targetting 2008 January 29 for a publication
> date.  This means having everything ready for a PR request
> the first week of January so that we can schedule a PR
> transition call and have things ready for publication in time.

A draft PR request is at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Dec/0029

Henry sent some comments at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Dec/0036

> 
> The following documents need to be prepared (and are already
> referenced from my latest version of the PR ready draft) by
> the first week in January:
> 
> 1.  an implementation report that the XML Sec WG is kindly
>     preparing for us--current draft at
> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmldsig/c14n11/report.html

ACTION to Paul:  Work with Thomas to get this to final form.

> 2.  a disposition of comments in progress is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2007/12/CR-c14n11-doc.html
> 

ACTION to Paul:  Complete the DoC.

> 3.  A review version with changes from the 1.0 version 
> highlighted--to be put at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2007/12/PR-xml-c14n11-20080129-diff.htm
> (not yet there).  I'm hoping Norm or Henry can generate this.

ACTION to Norm:  Generate a review version of C14N 1.1
with changes from the 1.0 version highlighted.

> 
> 4.  A review version with changes from the CR version 
> highlighted--to be put at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2007/12/PR-xml-c14n11-20080129-diff2.htm
> (not yet there).  I'm hoping Norm or Henry can generate this.

ACTION to Norm:  Generate a review version of C14N 1.1
with changes from the CR version highlighted.

The WG has CONSENSUS to request PR for C14N 1.1. *****************

> 
> 4.  xml:base, [baseURI], and IRIs -> HRRIs -> LEIRIs
> 
> The (Second Edition) XML Base PER has been published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/PER-xmlbase-20061220/ 
> 
> Richard has produced another PER-ready draft of XML Base 
> referencing LEIRIs at:
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2006/09/xmlbase-2e/
> 
> Things still to be done:
> 
>  - decide how to reference the not-yet-existent replacement for 3987
>    (referred to as 3987 bis in this draft)
> 
>  - correct the patent statement per
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2007JanMar/0000
> 
>  - improve the formatting of references so they have links in.
> 
>  - see if there is anything else we were planning to fix 
> between the old PER and REC.

ACTION to Richard:  Finish edits for the PER-ready draft of XML Base.

> 
> 
> 4.5.  HRRIs -> LEIRIs
> 
> The latest HRRI draft was published as an ID on May 14 at
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-walsh-tobin-hrri-01.txt
> 
> The most recent editor's draft is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2007/04/hrri/draft-walsh-tobin-hrri-01c.html
> 
> Martin's latest IRI draft (defining LEIRIs in section 7) is at 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-duerst-iri-bis-01.txt
> 
> We've exchanged some email with Martin about some details,  
> but in general it looks like we'll be happy with the definition 
> of LEIRIs in the new IRI RFC.  
> 
> Scheduling for the revised IRI RFC is still unclear.  Paul sent
> email to Martin, but we have as yet received no response.

Martin has now published a second draft at
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-duerst-iri-bis-02.txt

Still no word on a possible schedule.

ACTION to Paul:  Reply to Martin's message at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Dec/0031
telling him to forget any more changes, and press on!

> 
> 
> 5.  XLink update.
> 
> The XLink CR was published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-xlink11-20060328/ 
> 
> The latest almost PR-ready XLink draft is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/xmlcore/xlink11/
> 
> Norm posted a DoC at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2006/10/xlink11-doc.html
> 
> Paul wrote a SECOND draft PR request at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Dec/0059
> 
> ACTION to Norm:  Complete resolution of DoC.
> 
> ACTION to WG (need volunteer):  Update the Implementation Report.
> 
> ACTION to Norm: Produce a PR-ready draft of XLink 1.1 with 
> a reference to the IRI RFC for LEIRIs such as:
> 
>  Section 5.4: 
> 
>  replace para starting:
> 
>   The value of the href attribute is an XML resource identifer...
> 
>  with:
> 
>   The value of the href attribute is a LEIRI [ref].
> 
>  and then delete subsection 5.4.1 but move the para about 
>  relative references up into 5.4.
> 
> ACTION to Norm:  Suggest any other appropriate changes to XLink 1.1.
> 
> ACTION to Norm:  Produce diff/review version.

ACTIONs to Norm continued, due 2008 January 16.

> 
> 6. XML 1.0/1.1 4th/2nd Editions published 2006 August 16:
> 
>  Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.0 (Fourth Edition)
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-20060816
> 
>  Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.1 (Second Edition)
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml11-20060816
> 
> Henry/Richard discussed the test suite issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/ 
> 
> These need to be resolved. 
> 
> Richard reports that the 2005 issue has been resolved in the latest
> draft. 
> 
> The one from 2006, character references with numbers with dozens 
> of digits, may not be. 
> 
> ACTION: Richard to construct a test case for these issues.

ACTION to Richard continued.

> 
> Francois has updated the PE document at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/08/proposed-xml10-4e-and-xml11-2e-errata.html
> including his proposed resolution of the LEIRI text.
> 
> ACTION to Richard and Norm (and any others):  Review
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/08/proposed-xml10-4e-and-xml11-2e-errata.html#PE161
> and let us know if you have any suggested revisions to the 
> proposed resolution.

Richard asks what the "(and other XML strings meant to be used as 
URI references)" phrase is supposed to mean at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Dec/0034

He says we added this as part of an earlier erratum.  It isn't
really clear what this means.

Regardless, Richard recommends that we just leave it for now,
and the WG agrees.

Richard has reviewed and approved the proposed wording for PE161.

> 
> Francois' proposed resolution for the version change is PE163.
> Paul feels we probably need a bit more prose explaining things,
> but he is not sure.
> 
> ACTION to Richard and John (and any others):  Review
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/08/proposed-xml10-4e-and-xml11-2e-errata.html#PE163
> and let us know if you have any suggested revisions to the 
> proposed resolution.

Change:

 Even though the VersionNum production matches any version
 number of the form '1.x', XML 1.0 documents SHOULD always
 specify the version number as '1.0'.

to:

 Even though the VersionNum production matches any version
 number of the form '1.x', XML 1.0 documents SHOULD NOT
 specify a version number other than '1.0'. 

       Note

 When an XML 1.0 processor encounters a document that specifies
 a 1.x version number other than '1.0', it will process it as
 a 1.0 document.  This means that an XML 1.0 processor will accept
 1.x documents provided they do not use any non-1.0 features.

> 
> Francois has generated a PER-ready version of XML 1.0 5th Edition 
> with approved errata (and warning about upcoming PE about LEIRIs):
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2007/12/PER-xml-20071212-review.html
> Please check the new note in 4.2.2.
> 
> Francois has generated a PER-ready version of XML 1.1 3rd Edition 
> with approved errata (and warning about upcoming PE about LEIRIs):
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2007/12/PER-xml11-20071212-review.html
> Please check the new note in 4.2.2.
> 
> We plan to put the following PEs into countdown during this week's
> telcon:  PE154, PE155, PE160, PE161, PE162, and PE163.

ACTION to Francois:  Put PE154, PE155, PE160, PE161, PE162, and PE163
into countdown until January 16.

ACTION to Francois:  Augment the status of XML 1.0 5th Ed per
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Dec/0025

> 
> 
> 7. Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1 2nd Editions published 2006 August 16:
> 
>  Namespaces in XML 1.0 (Second Edition)
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-names-20060816
> 
>  Namespaces in XML 1.1 (Second Edition)
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-names11-20060816
> 
> Richard has recorded Anne's issue/proposed resolution at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2001/05/proposed-xml-names-errata#NPE27
> 
> ACTION to Richard:  Look into Anne's (two) comments at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-names-editor/2007Oct/
> 
> 
> 8. XML 1.0 5th Edition
> 
> We have consensus to change the name char productions
> in XML 1.0 5th Ed.
> 
> We also have consensus to allow XML 1.0 processors to accept 
> documents labelled version="1.x".
> 
> Other character changes remain to be decided (though the 
> status quo is not to make any others).  In particular:
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Check with Noah how IBM feels about #x85.
>

ACTION to Henry (which was attempted unsuccessfully) continued.

> 
> 9.  XInclude 3rd Edition
> 
> XInclude 2nd Edition is at:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xinclude-20061115
> 
> LEIRI-related changes for the 3rd Edition:
> 
> 3.1, href attribute is a LEIRI
> 
> See also 4.1.1 (details TBD) which can't reference XML 1.1
> since we don't define XML Resource Identifiers in XML 1.1.
> Just replace that para with the "They are LEIRIs" para.
> 
> ACTION to Daniel: Produce a PER-ready draft of XInclude 3rd Ed
> with appropriate references to the IRI RFC for LEIRIs.

ACTION to Daniel continued.

> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Dec/0003
> 
> 
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