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Re: Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2006 February 15

From: Norman Walsh <Norman.Walsh@Sun.COM>
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:21:04 -0500
To: public-xml-core-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <87y803ifmn.fsf@nwalsh.com>
/ "Grosso, Paul" <pgrosso@ptc.com> was heard to say:
|> Thread 19--Schema issues 
|> ------------------------
|> Comments on the schema for xlink.
|> 
|> Henry thought about this and decided the commentor is wrong
|> and sent a reply.
|> 
|> However, the commentor didn't agree.
|> 
|> Henry replied again at
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0096
|> and
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0097
|> 
|> The commentor wishes to make an official dissent at:
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0098
|> 
|> This closed this thread (with a dissent).

Ok.

|> Re: XLink 1.1: Charmod conformance
|> ----------------------------------
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0048
|> Björn says XLink 1.1 should NFC-normalize IRIs.
|> 
|> Richard replied at:
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0070
|> Bjoern replied at
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0075
|> and Richard re-replied at
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0089
|> and the thread ends there (as of the writing of this agenda).
|> 
|> We still need to close this thread. *****
|> 
|> We believe that our specs are correct as is, and perhaps
|> the Charmod spec could be clearer here, but that isn't
|> our remit.
|> 
|> ACTION to Francois:  Review this thread and send email
|> to the XML Core WG.
|> 
|> Unless Francois comes back and says we're wrong, we will
|> leave it as is and flag this issue as an outstanding dissent 
|> in the DoC, perhaps with a note that we've sent this issue
|> to I18N.
>
| Francois sent email at
| http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Feb/0022
>
| Richard thinks XLink is the wrong place to require conformance
| to charmod since it's really the XML parser on top of which
| XLink is placed that need to be conformant.
>
| Francois doesn't think XLink needs to discuss normalization,
| but he thinks we can make XLink conformant to charmod by adding:
>
| "Implementations of XLink must conform to charmod.
| Content conforming to XLink must conform to charmod."
>
| Richard (and others) argue that charmod isn't really
| applicable to XLink, but we will put it in.
>
| Norm has a plan that he outlined--CONSENSUS to do that.
>
| ACTION to Norm:  Put this language into the spec.

Done.

| xlink:href requirements 
| -----------------------
| http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2005JulSep/0008
| Last message at
| http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0063
>
| Change "xml string" to "character string".
>
| The meaning of our definition of href hasn't changed since
| Last Call though the wording has changed.
>
| ACTION to Norm:  Take another stab at answering this question.

No response.

| error handling 
| ---------------
| Last message is at
| http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0002
| and we don't understand this really.
>
| We don't talk about reporting errors, we just say
| some elements have xlink semantics and others don't.
>
| Norm and Richard (mostly) discussed this.
>
| ACTION to Norm:  Try to email back again to try to see
| what it is he is getting at.

Anne would prefer that we ignore unexpected markup:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0107

|> "URI reference" "checking"
|> --------------------------
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0060
|> Norm will strike the "because it's impractical" wording
|> and replace it with a note that says checking isn't required.
|> 
|> Henry replied to Bjoern's message:
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0071
|> Bjoern was unsatisfied at
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0081
|> Henry re-replied at:
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0083
|> and the thread ends there (as of the writing of this agenda).
|> 
|> Henry's penultimate email asked if this should generate
|> an official objection (which question was never answered),
|> so we can handle this thread the same as the others in
|> this category (which I assume will be to generate an
|> official objection).
|> 
|> Henry suggested wording of a note to be added to the draft:
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Feb/0011
|> 
|> ACTION to Norm:  Update the draft accordingly.
|> 
|> We still have not heard from the commentor, so I suggest
|> we need to flag this as a "dissent".

Done.

|> "XML document" undefined
|> ------------------------
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0067
|> 
|> We now think the issue is whether a linkbase can be
|> anything that can be converted into an infoset or
|> does it have to be an XML document.
|> 
|> We just say "xml documents" in XInclude.  Since this 
|> wording is in XLink 1.0, we will leave it as is.
|> 
|> Norm sent email to the commentor pointing to XInclude:
|> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2
| 006JanMar/0093
|> but there has been no response as of this writing.
|> 
|> Close and record an official dissent.

Ok.

This stands unanswered:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0078

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

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