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Re: default hashtags

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:52:47 -0500
Message-ID: <4ED956BF.9040207@openlinksw.com>
To: public-xg-webid@w3.org
On 12/2/11 5:24 PM, Henry Story wrote:
>
> On 2 Dec 2011, at 23:03, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>
>> On 12/2/11 4:41 PM, Henry Story wrote:
>>>
>>> your isse was you said you had a the following urls
>>>
>>>   * http://yorkporc.blogspot.com/
>>>   * http://yorkporc.blogspot.com/#
>>>   * http://yorkporc.blogspot.com/2011/11/2uri.html#me
>>>
>>>
>>> So whichever ones satisfy the query is the one the server can use to 
>>> identify you, including all three if they all verify.
>> Yes, but when we have a world of verified WebIDs the next step is to 
>> do something. That's when ambiguity runs wild, as you know.
>
> The semantic web manages to push back many kinds of ambiguity, more so 
> than most other systems. Formally there is no ambiguity in  RDF.  But 
> really all languages are evolving systems, and since we all have 
> different background beliefs, and desires, people will come to 
> different conclusions even when given the same information. But this 
> topic is a really hard topic, and not one to broach casually.
>
> David Lewis has a very good set of papers one of which is called 
> Language and Languages where he studied what a language is 
> mathematically, and how even mathematical objects such as that can 
> evolve. Essentially there are an infinite number of languages that fit 
> our linguistic behaviour. We choose from time to time to select some 
> terms in a certain way, and thereby we all narrow down among the 
> possible languages we were speaking.
>
> It is important to understand that this does not mean that everything 
> goes. In his analysis of convention David Lewis starts with the 
> convention of driving on the right hand side in France and the US as 
> an example. Now there are some very good reasons to continue driving 
> on the right hand side, if everyone around you is driving that way. 
> Words and URLs get their meaning in similar ways.
>
> So those were just some pointers to serious philosophical works in the 
> space of meaning.
>
> But you are right, if one has a few WebIDs one then has do something 
> with them. I would start simple there, and see how things go as we 
> move along. As we see issues in our interaction we will then establish 
> rules to help us along. But there is no point restricting the space 
> before hand.
>
> Perhaps that is the greatest thing about David Lewis : his way of 
> never closing doors, and leaving as many possibilities open.

Yes, so we can tell people to use # URIs if the IdP space hosted claims 
graph takes the from of an (X)HTML document. Basically, when cut and 
paste is the pattern stick with # URIs since Name/Address disambiguation 
costs are low.

For verifiers they have to understand that you can verify a WebID how 
ever you wish, but do note that ambiguity could ultimately compromise 
post authentication utility of said WebIDs. Alternatively, and this 
tends to work the most for we humans: wait until ambiguity bites, then 
adjust accordingly :-)

Kingsley
>
>>
>> As per usual, in my last post  I forgot to attach a link re. my [1] 
>> reference to JSON-LD.
>>
>> Links:
>>
>> 1. http://json-ld.org/requirements/latest/ -- it covers Linked Data 
>> well i.e., negates httpRange-14 imbroglio trap.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen	
>> Founder&  CEO
>> OpenLink Software
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>


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Regards,

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