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Re: [MMSEM] Telecon minutes of 29/03/2007

From: Jeff Z. Pan <jpan@csd.abdn.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:09:45 +0100
Message-ID: <460CC5C9.4010809@csd.abdn.ac.uk>
To: MMSem-XG Public List <public-xg-mmsem@w3.org>


>6. AOB
>   Jeff: Future of the XG
>   <raphael> ... discussion on the list about a possible workshop
>   Jeff: chairs to check the possibilities of extending XG to get the
> job done...
   ... also related to the workshop...

><scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG

The above minutes are too brief. I added some more details about our discussions on the future of the XG during the telecon:

Jeff: 	Future of the XG
	Two important points: 
	(1) Good news, W3C supports our proposed workshop, 
	I have forwarded the decision to the mailing list.
raphael: ... discussion on the list about a possible workshop
Jeff: 	yes, we can discuss more about the workshop in the list
	(2) Easter is coming and there are some concern on the schedule
	Given that it is unlikely we can fulfil the three goals specified in our charter by next month,
	we should consider extending the XG for some time. raphael?
raphael: ok
Jeff: 	Yes, this is also related to our workshop, as the W3C workshop should be 
	arranged by the XG. The chairs can contact W3C about the extension.
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG

Best regards,
Jeff	




RaphaŽl Troncy wrote:
> All,
>
> The minutes of the today's's meeting are available
>
>  http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html
>
> Note: The next MMSEM-XG telecon is scheduled for
>       Thu 13 Apr 2007, 16:00 UTC
>
> The Summary of action items read:
>
> [NEW] ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by the next
> telecon [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
> [NEW] ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music use
> case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
> [NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with wiki
> after the end of XG [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
> [NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG
> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
> [NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
> [NEW] ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about formal
> written request [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
> [NEW] ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance for
> publication [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
> [NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools
> classifications [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
> [NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and use
> cases pages [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
>
> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation
> UC by next week [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by
> next telecon [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
> [PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical
> music [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
> [PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable
> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
> [PENDING] ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the
> interop deliverable [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
> [PENDING] ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to
> have MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by
> next telecon [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html#action20]
>
> The minutes are fully reproduced below.
>
> Best regards.
>
>        RaphaŽl
>
> ----------------------------
>
>       W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007, 16:00 UTC
>
> 29 Mar 2007
>
>    [2]Agenda
>
>       [2]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0063.html
>
>    See also: [3]IRC log
>
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>    Present
>           Thomas_Franz, Raphael, Zeljko, Jeff_Pan, Suzanne_Massimo,
>           Chris_Erik_Gaetan, Oscar, SusanneBoll, giovannit
>
>    Regrets
>           Tobias, Vassilis, Roberto, Chris, Sofia, Pasquale, Ioannis,
>           Melli, Michael
>
>    Chair
>           Jeff, Raphael
>
>    Scribe
>           Zeljko
>
> Contents
>
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]1. ADMIN
>          2. [6]2. LINKS Pages
>          3. [7]3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
>          4. [8]4. Interoperability Deliverable
>          5. [9]4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)
>          6. [10]4.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)
>          7. [11]4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik Mannens)
>          8. [12]4.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)
>          9. [13]4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo,
>             Suzanne, Patrizia, Ovidio)
>         10. [14]4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis,
>             Sofia)
>         11. [15]5. MPEG-7 Deliverable (10')
>         12. [16]6. AOB
>      * [17]Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>    <raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007,
>    16:00 UTC
>
>    <raphael> Scribe: Zeljko
>
>    <JeffP> Hi Raphael
>
>    <chrisa_stamatia> yes, we are together in Chania, working on the
>    deliverable
>
>    <JeffP> Hi guys
>
>    <chrisa_stamatia> hi all!
>
>    <JeffP> I mean "Hi ladies"
>
>    <chrisa_stamatia> yeap!
>
>    <chrisa_stamatia> we have some concerns on the schedule, it is a bit
>    tight given the Eastern...
>
>    <ocelma> raphael: i did the call via the Spanish dial-in number, but
>    not sure whether it worked (lots of music, but still waiting...)
>
>    <ocelma> ok
>
>    <scribe> Scribe: Zeljko
>
> 1. ADMIN
>
>    PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 15th March 2007 telecon
>
>    RESOLUTION: accepted the minutes of the 15th March 2007 telecon
>    ... Next telecon scheduled: 13th April 2007
>
> 2. LINKS Pages
>
>    Vocabularies page
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review
>    by next telecon [PENDING] [recorded in
>    [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
>
>    <raphael> Tools page
>
>    <raphael> Comments from Raphael:
>    [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0062
>    .html
>
>      [19]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0062.html
>
>    Linking tools page and use cases
>
>    <raphael> The minutes of 15/03/07:
>    [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/15-mmsem-minutes.html
>
>      [20] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/15-mmsem-minutes.html
>
>    Links from Use Case pages to Tools pages, but not necessarily other
>    way round
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and
>    use cases pages [recorded in
>    [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
>
>    Additions to tools page
>
>    Problems with classifications of tools
>
>    Video terms too resctrictive?
>
>    Most of video tools also do the other media
>
>    Separate mark for multiple media types
>
>    "Multimodal" as an alternative?
>
>    Raphael: add text in categories
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools
>    classifications [recorded in
>    [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
>
>    Zeljko: Tools page has also linked from other wiki pages, and vice
>    versa
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with
>    wiki after the end of XG [recorded in
>    [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
>
>    <SusanneBoll> I would also support for keeping the mailing list and
>    Wiki pages active
>
>    Jeff: related to extension of XG
>
> 3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation
>    on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style
>    (XG report) [DONE] [recorded in
>    [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance
>    for publication [recorded in
>    [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
>
> 4. Interoperability Deliverable
>
>    4.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff)
>
>    Jeff: fixed minor comments...
>    ... table of content is now restricted to only two levels...
>    ... moving all the references to end of the document...
>    ... minor but time consuming...
>    ... discuss the use of RDF to improve interoperability...
>
>    <SusanneBoll> unmute
>
>    SusanneBoll: the problem with RDF is that it cannot access the
>    fraction of the resource...
>    ... rectangle with image, for example...
>    ... reply sent to the list...
>
>    Raphael: well known issue, several possibilities...
>    ... XML snippet, that define the anchor, and annotation describe
>    that anchor...
>    ... defines how you define the region, MPEG-7 offers more detailed
>    way...
>
>    SusanneBoll: solution, but complicated
>
>    <Chris_Erik_Gaetan> DIG35 also has some MPEG-7 like solution for
>    this
>
>    Raphael: write to the list concrete problem, to get response about
>    how to od the annotation
>
>    SussaneBoll: is there any group/paper about this issues?
>
>    Raphael: "Obscure Object of Desire: Metadata on the Web"
>
>    Jeff: problem is not about RDF...
>    ... we need to have some other means to identify regions...
>    ... meeting with Vasilis...
>    ... section 3.3 of interoperability deliverable...
>    ... discussion about the patterns that we can find in the photo use
>    case...
>    ... relation with algorithm use case...
>    ... different interoperability requirements of use cases...
>    ... additional ontologies needed...
>    ... news use case - interesting illustrations of interoperability
>    problems, but no solutions written in the Wiki...
>    ... writte all the solutions, and come with common patterns among
>    use cases...
>    ... add more concrete examples that illustrate both the problem and
>    solution...
>
>    Raphael: time scale about filling sections
>
>    Jeff: basically ready, interdependency of sections...
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in
>    [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
>
> 4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)
>
>    ID3 to OWL conversion
>
>    Oscar: interesting discussion in the list...
>    ... implementation between ID3 and music ontology
>    ... common ideas as there, should not be difficult to implement
>    mapping...
>    ... finish coding, update the Wiki pages...
>
>    Raphael: do not focus on size of Wiki pages...
>    ... short and focused is goed...
>
>    Giovanni: happy to participate and work with Oscar
>
>    <raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable
>    PENDING [recorded in
>    [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the
>    music use case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in
>    [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
>
>    Giovanni: relation with implementation and output of XG (use case
>    description)?
>    ... actual implementation, or plans, descriptions...
>
>    Raphale: XG report text, but can link implementation of systems...
>
>    <raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical
>    music PENDING [recorded in
>    [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
>
> 4.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)
>
>    Raphael: modified the wiki...
>    ... late, agressive time plan to finish the use case in a week...
>    ... focussing the porblems, not clear before...
>    ... updating examples in wiki pages...
>    ... solutions are there, documenting them...
>
>    <Chris_Erik_Gaetan> +q
>
> 4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik Mannens)
>
>    <Chris_Erik_Gaetan> unmute me
>
>    Chris: 4 thing to say...
>    ... 1. progress from 50% to 85%, done by next teleconf...
>
>    <sboll> wow
>
>    Chris: concrete examples...
>
>    <raphael> wowwwwwwww BIS :-)
>
>    Chris: 2. to more examples
>    ... 3. licencing issues...
>    ... eager that we use it, but for management commitee they need
>    written request from W3C...
>    ... but it is gonna be OK...
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about
>    formal written request [recorded in
>    [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
>
>    <sboll> unmute me
>
>    Raphael: report to the list
>
>    SusanneBoll: interesting to look at this new standard
>    ... should we use it more?
>
>    Erik: XMP, look into it, did not do it yet...
>    ... after current work...
>
>    SusanneBoll: is standard solving many efforts, or is it still open
>    issue
>
>    Chris: ontology on the top of that to combine standards...
>    ... generate one ontology to combine metadata standards...
>
>    Raphael: design an old sschema, is it available?
>    ... how to do the tranformations?
>
>    Schema is almost done, on th eweb site until next teleconf...
>
>    scribe: not automatic translation...
>
>    <raphael> ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by
>    the next telecon [recorded in
>    [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
>
>    scribe: develop a simple example, and transfer it into RDF...
>
> 4.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)
>
>    Thomas: will be two meetings about that in April...
>    ...
>    ... in two weeks...
>    ... discuss possible implementations, but not bring
>    implementation...
>    ... more frequent meeting after...
>    ... post outcome of the meetings...
>
> 4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia,
> Ovidio)
>
>    Jeff: send the comments to the mailing list...
>    ... pattern not the same for this UC...
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm
>    representation UC [PENDING] [recorded in
>    [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps
>    [DONE] [recorded in
>    [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
>
>    Massimo: waiting review...
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Jeff to finish a review in one week [recorded in
>    [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
>
> 4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis, Sofia)
>
>    Second part of the UC could be dropped?...
>
> 5. MPEG-7 Deliverable (10')
>
>    Raphael: started discussions, established very aggressive work plant
>    ot get documents quickly...
>    ... keep updated the list about the progress...
>
> 6. AOB
>
>    Jeff: Future of the XG
>
>    <raphael> ... discussion on the list about a possible workshop
>
>    Jeff: chairs to check the possibilities of extending XG to get the
>    job done...
>    ... also related to the workshop...
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG
>    [recorded in
>    [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
>
>    Erik: other want to work with us, also big companies...
>
>    <sboll> happy easter everybody
>
>    <giovannit> see you everybody :-)
>
>    <ThomasFranz> bye
>
>    <chrisa_stamatia> bye!
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>    [NEW] ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by the
>    next telecon [recorded in
>    [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music
>    use case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in
>    [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with wiki
>    after the end of XG [recorded in
>    [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG
>    [recorded in
>    [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in
>    [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Jeff to finish a review in one week [recorded in
>    [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about formal
>    written request [recorded in
>    [42]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance for
>    publication [recorded in
>    [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools
>    classifications [recorded in
>    [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and
>    use cases pages [recorded in
>    [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
>
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm
>    representation UC [recorded in
>    [46]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review
>    by next telecon [recorded in
>    [47]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical
>    music [recorded in
>    [48]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable
>    [recorded in
>    [49]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
>
>    [DONE] ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation
>    on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style
>    (XG report) [recorded in
>    [50]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
>    [DONE] ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps
>    [recorded in
>    [51]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
>
>    [End of minutes]
>      _________________________________________________________
>
>
>     Minutes formatted by David Booth's [52]scribe.perl version 1.128
>     ([53]CVS log)
>     $Date: 2007/03/29 17:05:57 $
>      _________________________________________________________
>
> --
> RaphaŽl Troncy
> CWI (Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science),
> Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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>
>
>
>
>   


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Dr. Jeff Z. Pan (http://www.csd.abdn.ac.uk/~jpan/)
Department of Computing Science, The University of Aberdeen
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