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Re: Editing "Issues"

From: Emmanuelle Bermes <manue@figoblog.org>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:11:19 +0200
Message-ID: <CAODLZ4jk-rZBpUzTjj95Bu372RN7u364YrjJ5_1v3n9AqxycfQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Cc: public-xg-lld@w3.org
Actually, I like Jodi's last proposal, and imho, we are explicit
enough in the report on the kind of "links" that we expect so that
it's understood that it's not just regular hypertext-style
web-of-documents links.
I left it as is for now, we can discuss it further on the call.

Other issues in "The Current situation" :

- "Library standards are designed only for the library community"  [1]
Our statement on liaising with other bodies was very generic ; I tried
to bring it back into the Linked Data context.

- "Library technology changes depend on vendor systems development" [2]
This paragraph is quite implicit about the reason why the fact that
technical expertise is held by vendors should be an issue. We miss a
sentence at the end of the paragraph like :
"Thus libraries rely on these vendors and their technology development
plans, rather than on their own incentive, when they want to adopt
Linked Data at a production scale."

-"Library data is expressed primarily in natural-language text" [3]
I still don't like the wording of the last sentence with 3 "that" in a
very long phrase, but couldn't come up with a decent solution...
except just splitting the sentence in 2 :
"The absence or insufficient support of links by library systems
raises important issues. Changes to authority displays require that
all related records be retrieved in order to change their text strings
-- a disruptive and expensive process that often prevents libraries
from implementing changes in a timely manner."

Diff at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_issues_page_take2&diff=6298&oldid=6292

[1] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_issues_page_take2&diff=6298&oldid=6292#Library_standards_are_designed_only_for_the_library_community
[2] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page_take2#Library_technology_changes_depend_on_vendor_systems_development
[3] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page_take2#Library_data_is_expressed_primarily_in_natural-language_text


On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
> Following on Jodi's comment, I was going to comment that there ARE links to
> some library data (e.g. LC catalog has permalinks), but in many cases there
> is no http link to the bib entries in library catalogs. To me, though, the
> real issue is that even with a perma link to the record, or a few links in
> the record to some outside sources, this really isn't linked data, and
> that's the point. So it is the lack of integration into the linked data
> cloud that matters, and I believe that is what is implied in the original
> wording, which I would leave alone.
> kc
> Quoting Jodi Schneider <jodi.schneider@deri.org>:
>> On 7 Sep 2011, at 16:46, Emmanuelle Bermes wrote:
>>> It seems to me that we could be more specific regarding the kind of
>>> "more deep integration" of library data with the Web that we expect :
>>> links, and not only APIs or search interfaces (either for humans or
>>> machines).
>>> I tried a change to reflect that, diff at
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_issues_page_take2&diff=6291&oldid=6247
>>> BEFORE :
>>> "Library data today resides in databases which, while they may have
>>> Web-facing search interfaces, are not more deeply integrated with
>>> other data sources on the Web."
>>> AFTER :
>>> "Library data today resides in databases which are only accessible on
>>> the Web through search interfaces, and not through links with other
>>> data sources on the Web."
>> +1
>> If we want to expand further on this theme, the lack of permalinks could
>> be mentioned. It may not be utterly clear that lacking links and lacking
>> *linkability* are both implied here.
>> -Jodi
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