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Re: Visualizing metadata element sets in side deliverable -- quite urgent feedback request

From: Daniel Vila <dvila@delicias.dia.fi.upm.es>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:04:19 +0200
Message-ID: <CAEiZzvyXtxiYbGF05Q-4wobn7WZnNYSYnp2n3+4ZBM+X5BCffg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Cc: public-xg-lld@w3.org
I also agree that the tag cloud is useful.

Daniel

2011/8/26 Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>

> Quoting Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>:
>
>  Plus I'm quite sure that many other
>
>> package curators don't know such tags exists.
>> In fact I'm not sure how the LOD Cloud guys could create
>> http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.**de/lodcloud/state/#terms<http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/lodcloud/state/#terms>.
>> Perhaps by analysing the dumps, which is of course impossible for us.
>>
>
> Now you've made me want to see a tag cloud with property names!
>
> :-)
> kc
>
> p.s. I think including this is useful as a visualization, but we shouldn't
> pretend that it means more than it does.
>
>
>
>>
>>  Yes, and yes. It will also need a short paragraph explaining what the
>>> tagcloud represents.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Of course. Thanks for the feedback!
>>
>> Antoine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 26 Aug 2011, at 13:04, Antoine Isaac wrote:
>>>
>>>  Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Among the TODOs to clean at the last moment for the side deliverable,
>>>> there is one on visualizing Metadata Element Sets:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/**Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_**
>>>> and_Dataset#Metadata_Element_**Sets<http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Metadata_Element_Sets>
>>>>
>>>> The original idea was to show the relations between Sets and their
>>>> relative importance (as indicated by their usage in individual cases).
>>>> The inspiration was Mondeca's Linked Open Vocabularies: we wanted to do
>>>> the same kind of graph as http://labs.mondeca.com/**
>>>> dataset/lov/details/**vocabularySpace_Library.html<http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/details/vocabularySpace_Library.html>,
>>>> but
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think that this is representative, without basing it directly on
>>> our use cases? In that case, it would additionally be worth including.
>>>
>>>  - based on our use cases  only
>>>> - with links between element sets, as in http://labs.mondeca.com/**
>>>> dataset/lov/details/**vocabulary_skos.html<http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/details/vocabulary_skos.html>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a shame that there aren't statistics we could easily get out of
>>> CKAN, using our LLD CKAN group (rather than the use cases) as the starting
>>> point. But I do concede that we don't have so much time!
>>>
>>>
>>>> There was even a mock-up:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/**Incubator/lld/wiki/File:LLD-**
>>>> MetadataElementSetCloudMock.**png<http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/File:LLD-MetadataElementSetCloudMock.png>
>>>> Unfortunately, it has obvious that the editors of the side deliverable
>>>> don't have enough resources to gather the data needed to create this:
>>>> Mondeca's scripts use a SPARQL endpoint, for which we'd have to create
>>>> fairly rich data.
>>>>
>>>> BUT as I was about to remove the mock-up, I saw that the site Paul Walk
>>>> has made in Pittsburgh was still alive: http://www.paulwalk.net/**
>>>> lldvis/ <http://www.paulwalk.net/lldvis/>
>>>> Even better, I've discovered that:
>>>> 1. I can easily remove from this page the value vocabularies, keeping
>>>> the element sets only
>>>> 2. I can add new element sets, fitting the latest version of our side
>>>> deliverable. In fact we can really add them in the data behind Paul's page,
>>>> and attach use cases to them. But perhaps that's not needed, we can tweak
>>>> the size of the tags manually...
>>>>
>>>> So I've implemented step 1 and created a tag cloud for the metadata
>>>> element sets:
>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~aisaac/**lld/LLDMES.html<http://www.few.vu.nl/%7Eaisaac/lld/LLDMES.html>
>>>>
>>>> It's clearly not the full monty we were dreaming of, but it still gives
>>>> some idea on usage of element sets.And it's really easy to make.
>>>> I could continue this, adding the element sets we miss. And then take a
>>>> screenshot to be included in the side deliverable: I'm afraid we can't fit
>>>> in the real HTML code, as it is heavily depending on scripts that are on
>>>> Paul's site.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that would be worth it? And it's not too late?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, and yes. It will also need a short paragraph explaining what the
>>> tagcloud represents.
>>>
>>>
>>> :) -Jodi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Antoine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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