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Re: Minutes of 2010-10-14 LLD meeting

From: Monica Duke <m.duke@ukoln.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:48:54 +0100
Message-ID: <4CB84DB6.8080706@ukoln.ac.uk>
To: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
CC: "public-xg-lld@w3.org" <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
I tried to send my late regrets for yesterday but in trying to do that 
in a rush I got caught by the 'reply to sender only' default, and only 
sent the message to Tod.  Please accept late apologies for not attending 
yesterday's meeting.

Regards,
Monica

Antoine Isaac wrote:
> 
> 
>> The minutes of today's meeting will be available at 
>> http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-lld-minutes.html
> 
> Unfortunately I can't edit that one :-)
> The minutes are at 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/14-lld-minutes.html
> 
> Thanks a lot, Wolfgang!
> 
> Antoine
> 
> 
>>
>> Text version below.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Wolfgang
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>>
>>
>>    [1]W3C
>>
>>        [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>
>>                                  LLD XG
>>
>> 14 Oct 2010
>>
>>     [2]Agenda
>>
>>        [2] 
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Oct/0052.html
>>
>>     See also: [3]IRC log
>>
>>        [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-lld-irc
>>
>> Attendees
>>
>>     Present
>>            Thomas Baker (TomB), Anette Seiler (aseiler), Jeff Young 
>> (jeff_), Jodi Schneider (jodi), Martin Malmsten (marma), Alexander 
>> Haffner (AlexanderH), Felix Sasaki (Felix), Gordon Dunsire (GordonD), 
>> Ross Singer (rsinger), Wolfgang Halb (whalb), Peter Murray (pmurray), 
>> Jonathan Rees (jar), Kai Eckert (kai), Ray Denenberg (Ray), Karen 
>> Coyle (kcoyle), Kevin Ford (kefo), Asaf Bartov (Asaf), Bernard Vatant 
>> (bvatant), Kim Viljanen (digikim), Michael Panzer (michaelp)
>>
>>     Regrets
>>            Emmanuelle, Antoine, Lars
>>
>>     Chair
>>            Tom
>>
>>     Scribe
>>            whalb
>>
>> Contents
>>
>>       * [4]Topics
>>           1. [5]admin
>>           2. [6]Pittsburgh face-to-face meetings
>>           3. [7]Use cases and case studies
>>           4. [8]Other Wiki pages for capturing relevant links and ideas
>>           5. [9]Upcoming topics - FYI...
>>           6. [10]Upcoming face-to-face meetings
>>           7. [11]aob
>>       * [12]Summary of Action Items
>>       _________________________________________________________
>>
>>     <TomB>  Previous:
>>     [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
>>     tes.html
>>
>>       [13] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html
>>
>>     <marka>  same here, phone troubles
>>
>>     <kcoyle>  karen
>>
>>     <TomB>  Scribe: whalb
>>
>>     <TomB>  Scribenick: whalb
>>
>>     <digikim>  hello
>>
>>     <ww>  all circuits busy on the uk dialin number :(
>>
>>     tomb: important thing is to make sure agenda is ok
>>
>>     <digikim>  digikim calling
>>
>>     <digikim>  (is zakim awake?)
>>
>> admin
>>
>>     proposal: accept minutes of last telco
>>     [14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
>>     tes.html
>>
>>       [14] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html
>>
>>     resolved: accept minutes of previous telco
>>
>> Pittsburgh face-to-face meetings
>>
>>     tomb: two meetings, one friday afternoon about application profiles
>>     ... main meeting on saturday and half of sunday
>>     ... for the meeting on friday preparation:
>>     [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010
>>     ... content will change until tomorrow
>>
>>       [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010
>>
>>     marcia: will put a link to current model
>>
>>     tomb: meeting on saturday, required reading is charter
>>     ... use cases:
>>     ... there is a list of background, topic list, how use cases relate
>>     to topics
>>     ... most people will present one use case, a few will have to
>>     present more
>>     ... people please add names to use cases in brackets
>>
>>     <marma>  Got disconnected
>>
>>     <TomB>
>>     [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Oct/0058.html
>>
>>       [16] 
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Oct/0058.html
>>
>>     <TomB>
>>     [17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Citation_of_S
>>     cientific_Datasets
>>
>>       [17] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Citation_of_Scientific_Datasets 
>>
>>
>>     <TomB>
>>     [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Enhanced_Publ
>>     ications
>>
>>       [18] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Enhanced_Publications
>>
>>     tomb: we dont have to assign namens right now to new use cases
>>     ... but we need at least one member per use case, each f2f attendant
>>     assigned to at least one use case
>>     ... use case assignment is to read use case description and prepare
>>     for discussion
>>     ... everybody should sign up for at least one use case (to lead
>>     discussion)
>>     ... maybe prepare some bullet points for driving discussion in the
>>     right direction
>>
>>     <Abartov>  +q use case owners
>>
>>     <michaelp>  I would be happy to lead discussion for Authority date
>>     enrichment
>>
>>     <jeff_>
>>     [19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_cas
>>     e_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30
>>
>>       [19] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_case_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 
>>
>>
>>     <pmurray>  I picked up the NDNP use case on the F2F agenda.
>>
>>     tomb: will send out a reminder to list of use cases are still not
>>     covered tomorrow
>>
>>     <GordonD>  All note: list of assigned rapporteurs has changed
>>     significantly since this agenda was prepared!
>>
>>     tomb: there is quite some background reading, it is not necesary to
>>     read everything in detail
>>
>>     <marcia>  Will the case presented in this order as listed, or in
>>     'related' groups?
>>
>>     tomb: we have to keep in mind that there are only 7 months left for
>>     the xg
>>
>>     <Abartov>  (remember: some UC owners can't make it to the F2F, but
>>     would be very happy to answer questions before and even during the
>>     F2F, remotely)
>>
>>     <marcia>  +q
>>
>>     <jodi>  marcia: IMO, 'related' would be nice, if it's obvious what's
>>     related to what.
>>
>>     tomb: we should be able to define what we want to achieve in the
>>     remaining 7 months
>>
>>     <jodi>  y
>>
>>     <jeff_>  y
>>
>>     <michaelp>  y
>>
>>     <kcoyle>  yep
>>
>>     <rsinger>  well, i am
>>
>>     <kefo>  yes
>>
>>     tomb: we should sort out what is achievable
>>
>>     <bvatant>  yes we are
>>
>>     <marma>  y
>>
>>     <marcia>  +q
>>
>>     <digikim>  :)
>>
>> Use cases and case studies
>>
>>     tomb: going through actions...
>>
>>     kcoyle: regarding action01 - we have done what can be done before
>>     the meeting
>>     ... action will be continued
>>
>>     rayd: question regarding friday meeting: if someone not registered
>>     for dc meeting will she/he have to pay?
>>
>>     <GordonD>  May depend on venue security?
>>
>>     tomb: theoretically should be registered, in practice dont know
>>
>>     marcia: can ask dc committee if it is ok for unregistered
>>     participants
>>     ... how many minutes should be taken for each case, what order of
>>     presentation?
>>
>>     tomb: would be good idea to group the use cases
>>     ... we dont need to sort that out today but we should start grouping
>>     and do it over the coming week
>>
>>     <GordonD>  +1 Tom's suggestion
>>
>>     kcoyle: we need to look at topic list
>>
>>     <GordonD>  Suggest a pragmatic approach and finalise groupings just
>>     before meeting
>>
>>     <markva>  I understood it was necessary and registered...
>>
>>     tomb: regarding action03 i suggest that we carry that action forward
>>     as use cases keep coming in
>>
>>     <scribe>  ACTION: emma, kcoyle, GordonD, Marcia, bvatant to structure
>>     the discussion of use cases in light of the topic list [recorded in
>>     [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minu
>>     tes.html#action01] [CONTINUES] [CONTINUES]
>>
>>       [20] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minutes.html#action01 
>>
>>
>>     <scribe>  ACTION: Use-case owner(s) to check table and matches
>>     [recorded in
>>     [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
>>     tes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
>>
>>       [21] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action03 
>>
>>
>>     <scribe>  ACTION: Karen to add short names to the topics page
>>     [recorded in
>>     [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
>>     tes.html#action09] [CONTINUES]
>>
>>       [22] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action09 
>>
>>
>>     <Abartov>  "champions" :)
>>
>>     <GordonD>  De facto word for uc presenters is Presenter
>>
>> Other Wiki pages for capturing relevant links and ideas
>>
>>     <rsinger>
>>     [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_data_in_Semantic_Web_form
>>     ats
>>
>>       [23] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_data_in_Semantic_Web_formats
>>
>>     <jodi>  in general, I prefer using the world-writable wiki
>>
>>     <rayd>  +q
>>
>>     <scribe>  ACTION: Participants to volunteer as use case 'shepherds'
>>     by signing their names in
>>     [24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_cas
>>     e_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 [recorded in
>>     [25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
>>     tes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
>>
>>       [24] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_case_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 
>>
>>       [25] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action08 
>>
>>
>>     <jodi>  yes, let's make a template :)
>>
>>     <kcoyle>  agree
>>
>>     <Abartov>  Are you proposing to begin collecting ontologies and
>>     vocabularies for LLD?
>>
>>     <rsinger>  no, datasets
>>
>>     <Abartov>  rsinger: oh, I see. thanks.
>>
>> Upcoming topics - FYI...
>>
>>     tomb: nothing to discuss atm
>>
>> Upcoming face-to-face meetings
>>
>>     tomb: reminder for meeting
>>
>> aob
>>
>>     <Abartov>  +q
>>
>>     <marma>  We're having trouble with the phones at KB. Will follow IRC.
>>     Sorry.
>>
>>     tomb: hotel is in transition from hilton to new management, link has
>>     been posted to list
>>     ... if anyone is concerned about reservation you can call the hotel
>>     to check
>>     ... hotel is trying to make transition as smooth as possible
>>
>>     <GordonD>  All: looking forward to seeing most of you next week!
>>
>>     tomb: looking forward to meeting participants at conference
>>     ... there will be no call next week
>>     ... irc will be used for friday afternoon meeting
>>     ... remote participants are welcome
>>     ... on saturday zakim and irc will also be used and remote
>>     participants are invited to join by voice or irc
>>
>>     <Abartov>  -q
>>
>>     tomb: on sunday no zakim will be used because of the costs (no
>>     sponsor for wifi)
>>     ... notes will be taken
>>
>>     <jar_>  I recommend someone bring an access point anyhow
>>
>>     <jar_>  even if no Internet, you can use it for file transfer, local
>>     web servers etc
>>
>>     <jodi>  bye
>>
>>     tomb: look forward to meeting at f2f and in 2 weeks at next call
>>
>>     <jar_>  sorry I won't be there
>>
>>     <bvatant>  bye
>>
>>     <marcia>  have a good trip, all
>>
>>     <rsinger>  bye!
>>
>>     <AlexanderH>  thx bye
>>
>>     <kefo>  bye
>>
>>     <aseiler>  bye
>>
>>     <digikim>  thanks
>>
>>     [adjourned]
>>
>>     <markva>  sorry I wasnt on the phone, VU phone central not working...
>>
>> Summary of Action Items
>>
>>     [PENDING] ACTION: emma, kcoyle, GordonD, Marcia, bvatant to
>>     structure the discussion of use cases in light of the topic list
>>     [recorded in
>>     [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minu
>>     tes.html#action01]
>>     [PENDING] ACTION: Karen to add short names to the topics page
>>     [recorded in
>>     [27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
>>     tes.html#action09]
>>     [PENDING] ACTION: Participants to volunteer as use case 'shepherds'
>>     by signing their names in
>>     [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_cas
>>     e_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 [recorded in
>>     [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
>>     tes.html#action08]
>>     [PENDING] ACTION: Use-case owner(s) to check table and matches
>>     [recorded in
>>     [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
>>     tes.html#action03]
>>     [DONE] ACTION: Topic owners to check table and think about 
>> supplying additional use-cases
>>     [recorded in
>>     [31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
>>     tes.html#action04]
>>
>>
>>       [26] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minutes.html#action01 
>>
>>       [27] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action09 
>>
>>       [28] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_case_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 
>>
>>       [29] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action08 
>>
>>       [30] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action03 
>>
>>       [31] 
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action04 
>>
>>
>>     [End of minutes]
>>
>>
>>
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