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Re: R19. End user extensions should be available both on desktop and in cloud

From: Bjorn Bringert <bringert@google.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:49:28 +0000
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjjC0HaFO=xveRiwU9_0r8z1cMacc2ZN_ebkib@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.org>
Cc: Robert Brown <Robert.Brown@microsoft.com>, "Olli@pettay.fi" <Olli@pettay.fi>, Dan Burnett <dburnett@voxeo.com>, "public-xg-htmlspeech@w3.org" <public-xg-htmlspeech@w3.org>
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Eric S. Johansson <esj@harvee.org> wrote:
> On 12/8/2010 4:24 PM, Robert Brown wrote:
>> I think that's right. It originally came from Eric's post in September:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Sep/0015.html
>> In that context, it seems to be about a specific style of application that
>> could be built with the API, rather than the API itself.  So I agree it's
>> out of scope.
> It wasn't intended to be a specific style of application. It was a poorly
> worded attempt to convey a fundamental concept in speech enabled
> environments.  Any (web) application is going to be a complete disaster for
> speech users ( google apps [1]).  in order to make an application speech
> usable, it will be necessary to create a whole new user interface layer
> around the application in order to drive it.  If the application is designed
> to be used with speech he won't be as much of a disaster but you'll still
> need the basic grammars and actions to drive it.
> If you assume that all applications will come with a speech user interface
> complete and usable from day one, then you're right, r19 is out of scope. If
> you want to require that any application user interface can be modified or
> extended based on the user's needs then we need something like r19.
> I would suggest a little more discussion on r19 because end-user
> customizations for user interfaces is one of the major differences between
> visual user interfaces and aural ones.  I'd like to make sure what I'm
> seeing as important is the same thing as the rest of you.
> --- eric
> [1] Not intending to pick on Google apps it's just that they are very common
> and almost completely unusable if you use speech recognition. I can't even
> use Google mail with speech. It's part nuance, part browser.

Are there any other web standards that include something like this? Or
any non-web speech applications that allow it? Could you propose any
(strawman) mechanism for it?

While I think that supporting user extensions is a noble idea, I can't
really see what concrete form this would take as part of a web

Bjorn Bringert
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