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RE: RE: [NEW ISSUE] 4103 Questionable use of Contoso Ltd in Primer

From: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:21:22 -0800
To: "Yalcinalp, Umit" <umit.yalcinalp@sap.com>, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
CC: David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com>, Fabian Ritzmann <Fabian.Ritzmann@Sun.COM>, Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>, "public-ws-policy@w3.org" <public-ws-policy@w3.org>
Message-ID: <4D66CCFC0B64BA4BBD79D55F6EBC22571FD4B78859@NA-EXMSG-C103.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

We know that example.com is used in URIs in many other specs.  But the Primer uses "Contoso" as a company name and Chris's original proposal is to:

> Change all occurances of "Contoso" and/or "Contoso Ltd." to "Example.com"

Using "Example.com" as a business name is completely different from using the string as a domain name.

/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com





> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org [mailto:public-ws-policy-
> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Yalcinalp, Umit
> Sent: December 22, 2006 7:04 PM
> To: Felix Sasaki; Paul Cotton
> Cc: David Orchard; Fabian Ritzmann; Christopher B Ferris; public-ws-
> policy@w3.org
> Subject: RE: [NEW ISSUE] 4103 Questionable use of Contoso Ltd in Primer
>
>
> Example.com is widely used in w3c specs/docs already. Surely, the use of
> it is not introducing a new constraint and/or problem for w3c.
>
> --umit
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org
> > [mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Felix Sasaki
> > Sent: Thursday, Dec 21, 2006 6:26 PM
> > To: Paul Cotton
> > Cc: David Orchard; Fabian Ritzmann; Christopher B Ferris;
> > public-ws-policy@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: [NEW ISSUE] 4103 Questionable use of Contoso Ltd
> > in Primer
> >
> >
> > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2606.txt describes the
> > reserved domain
> > name. I think this issue could be resolved by asking ICANN if they
> > follow this RFC in their registration policy and if their
> > recommend that
> > to local registries as well. If you agree with this approach, I could
> > take an AI and bring the question to our ICANN liaison .
> >
> > Felix
> >
> > Paul Cotton wrote:
> > > But Fabian's point is that someone could actually register
> > the company name "Example.com" with their local government
> > name registry.  Having that name reserved in DNS space does
> > not stop someone from using it in another space.
> > >
> > > /paulc
> > >
> > > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> > > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> > > Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> > > mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org [mailto:public-ws-policy-
> > >> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of David Orchard
> > >> Sent: December 21, 2006 2:36 PM
> > >> To: Fabian Ritzmann; Christopher B Ferris
> > >> Cc: public-ws-policy@w3.org
> > >> Subject: RE: [NEW ISSUE] 4103 Questionable use of Contoso
> > Ltd in Primer
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Example.com is explicitly reserved in DNS for examples
> > like this and
> > >> cannot be registered.  That's why everybody uses it.  And
> > what a great
> > >> idea and foresight that was on their part..
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org
> > >>> [mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of
> > Fabian Ritzmann
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:05 AM
> > >>> To: Christopher B Ferris
> > >>> Cc: public-ws-policy@w3.org
> > >>> Subject: Re: [NEW ISSUE] 4103 Questionable use of Contoso Ltd
> > >>> in Primer
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> While example.com is a reserved domain name, isn't there
> > >>> still a chance that somebody registers a company Example.com
> > >>> and sues W3C for trademark infringement [1]?
> > >>>
> > >>> Contoso is a company name registered by Microsoft:
> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictitious_company_names_
> > >>> used_by_Microsoft
> > >>>
> > >>> Ideally, the W3C would register a company name for similar
> > >>> uses in all countries where they don't want to be sued for
> > >>> trademark or similar infringements...
> > >>>
> > >>> Fabian
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Christopher B Ferris wrote:
> > >>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4103
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Title: Questionable use of fictitious corp. name "Contoso Ltd."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Description: The Primer uses a fictitious corporation
> > name, Contoso
> > >>>> Ltd., throughout the Primer in its running example. It
> > isn't clear
> > >>>> that use of such a fictitious name, without w3c
> > copyright/trademark
> > >>>> ownership, is advisable.
> > >>>> Should a company be incorporated with that name, then the
> > >>> Policy 1.5
> > >>>> primer would be in essence providing it with free advertising...
> > >>>> Worse, the company might sue the W3C for copyright/trademark
> > >>>> infringement.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Justification: see description
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Proposed Resolution: Change all occurances of "Contoso" and/or
> > >>>> "Contoso Ltd."
> > >>>> to "Example.com" and change all "real.contoso.com" domain
> > >>> references
> > >>>> to "example.com".
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Christopher Ferris
> > >>>> STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
> > >>>> email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
> > >>>> blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris
> > >>>> phone: +1 508 377 9295
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Fabian Ritzmann
> > >>> Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> > >>> Stella Business Park             Phone +358-9-525 562 96
> > >>> Lars Sonckin kaari 12            Fax   +358-9-525 562 52
> > >>> 02600 Espoo                      Email Fabian.Ritzmann@Sun.COM
> > >>> Finland
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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