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Re: CR20 proposal (consistent wording)

From: David Hull <dmh@tibco.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:38:46 -0500
To: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
Cc: Francisco Curbera <curbera@us.ibm.com>, public-ws-addressing@w3.org, public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org
Message-id: <43F0E046.1080906@tibco.com>
Jonathan Marsh wrote:

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> Perhaps it's just me, but the sense of what we're trying to say gets
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> 3.5.1 looks accurate, but starts the reader on a treasure hunt instead
> of directly giving them the answer to this question.  3.5.2 seems to
> apply restrictions to SOAP request-response beyond the desired
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> I prefer Paco's formulation - directly state that for HTTP, anonymous
> means no more and no less than the HTTP response.  I'd put his
> proposed text directly into the (currently empty) 3.5.  And declare
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In that case, strike "and no less", which is just a new complication. 
That leaves the semantics unchanged, and we can declare victory without
firing a shot.  I would much rather declare victory this way.

Special-casing HTTP for SOAP 1.2 is only victory if you abandon the idea
that features and properties can apply across protocols.

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> *From:* public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *David Hull
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:08 PM
> *To:* Francisco Curbera
> *Cc:* public-ws-addressing@w3.org; public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: CR20 proposal (consistent wording)
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> Francisco Curbera wrote:
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>As I said in my earlier mail, this would be the text to include in section
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>3.5:
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>"When the HTTP transport is in use, the anonymous URI is only used to
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>indicate the use of the HTTP reply channel so it can only appear as the
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>value of the [destination] property in reply messages."
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> To be more concrete (insertions in italics):
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>3.5 Use of Anonymous Address in SOAP
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>3.5.1 SOAP 1.1/HTTP
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>When "http://www.w3.org/@@@@/@@/addressing/anonymous" is specified  
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>for the response endpoint then there is no change to the SOAP 1.1/ 
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>HTTP binding./ The URI /
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>/"http://www.w3.org/@@@@/@@/addressing/anonymous" MUST NOT be specified/
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>/for the [destination] property of an HTTP message, except when required/
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>/as a result of the rules in section 3.4 of the core./
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>3.5.2 SOAP 1.2
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>When "http://www.w3.org/@@@@/@@/addressing/anonymous" is specified  
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>for the response endpoint and the request is the request part of a  
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>SOAP request-response MEP [soap 1.2 adjuncts ref], then any response  
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>MUST be the response part of the same SOAP request-response MEP [soap  
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>1.2 adjuncts ref].  /The URI /
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>/"http://www.w3.org/@@@@/@@/addressing/anonymous" MUST NOT be specified/
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>/for the [destination] property of any message in a SOAP request-response/
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>/MEP, except when required as a result of the rules in section 3.4 of/
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>/the core./
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> This could be sharpened by saying the server/receiver MUST fault on
> receiving a message with such a [destination], instead of saying that
> such a [destination] MUST NOT be used but not saying what happens if
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>Paco
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>                      David Hull                                                                                                         
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>                      <dmh@tibco.com> <mailto:dmh@tibco.com>                 To:       Francisco Curbera/Watson/IBM@IBMUS                                       
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>                      Sent by:                        cc:       public-ws-addressing@w3.org <mailto:public-ws-addressing@w3.org>                                              
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>                      public-ws-addressing-req        Subject:  Re: CR20 proposal                                                        
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>                      uest@w3.org <mailto:uest@w3.org>                                                                                                        
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>Francisco Curbera wrote:
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>>As per Bob's request, and for easier reference, this is a more detailed
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>>version of the proposal for closing CR20 that we discussed on the last
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>>Middle of the road approach: retain the defaulting of the To header to
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>>anonymous, but re-state (in section 3.2 of the Core spec) that the use of
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>>the anonymous URI in the destination field is actually dependent on the
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>>interpretation that the transport binding gives to the anonymous URI. Add
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>>note in Section 3.5 of the SOAP spec indicating that for the case of the
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>>HTTP transport the anonymous URI is only used to indicate the use of the
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>>HTTP reply channel so it can only be used in reply messages.
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>Could you please state this in the form of an amendment to the text
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>accepted for section 3.5 in the resolution to CR 15 [1]?  While this
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>text has not yet been incorporated into the editors' draft yet, I
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>believe it represents the latest draft of that section.
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>[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Jan/0085
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