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Minutes of the 2004-10-21 teleconference

From: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:02:45 +0200
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                        Web Services Addressing WG call
                                  21 oct 2004


   See also: [3]IRC log


          Hugo, Mark_Nottingham, Michael.Eder, Mark.Peel, Jonathan_Marsh,
          Rebecca.Bergersen, Harris, Bob.Freund, J.Mischkinsky,
          Steve.Winkler, Paco, JacekK, Anish, Ales.Novy, Dave.Orchard,
          Marc.Hadley, Yin-Leng


          Mark Nottingham



     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Agenda review, AOB
         2. [6]Working Group process and administrivia
         3. [7]Work items and schedule
         4. [8]NYC Face-to-Face
     * [9]Summary of Action Items

   <scribe> Scribe: hugo

Agenda review, AOB

   Nothing technical today

Working Group process and administrivia

   Mark: the charter is at [10]http://www.w3.org/2004/09/wsa-charter.html
   ... it's based on the W3C process, which is consensus-based
   ... it's also under the W3C patent policy
   ... we have 2 mailing lists: a member one for administrative matters, and
   the public list is for technical matters
   ... in case we communicate with groups that don't work in public, we may use
   the member-confidential list
   ... if you have issues accessing parts of the Web site, contact Hugo
   ... minutes should be taken on IRC

   <mnot> [11]http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/info/name.php3

   Mark: it helps to take action items, keep track of the queue, etc.

   <mnot> [12]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36696/telcontime/

   Mark: for telcon times, it's going to be tough to pick a time
   ... it should be linked from the WG page

   <scribe> ACTION: Hugo to link polls from home page

   Jonathan: are you going to send the agenda to the member list or the public

   Mark: any preference?

   <anish> i prefer that the agenda goes to public

   Jeff: we use the public list in WSD
   ... except for regrets and call-in numbers

   Mark: ok, let's try that then
   ... please note that if you can't make it to the meeting, please send
   regrets to the administrative list
   ... I'd like to make a decision on telcon times next week
   ... please answer ASAP
   ... we will need to take minutes
   ... I'll make a call for volunteers, otherwise we'll do a round-robin among
   WG members
   ... IRC is not required, but preferred

   <Marsh> [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc

   Jonathan: IRC gets very useful as soon as lots of people join

   Mark: we'll have F2Fs every 1.5 months to start with
   ... we should have one in December, and one in Jan
   ... I have set up a poll
   ... we should have one in Europe, one on the West Coast, then at the Tech

   Jonathan: the WSDWG is interested in colocating
   ... there is a big overlap
   ... we have been looking at January
   ... we can work on this on the CG call

   Marc: I am wondering if we are going to have critical mass with such a

   MarkN: the charter is pretty clear about this
   ... actually, this is related to good standing

   <dorchard> is it really miss 1 in 3?

   MarkN: not attending too many meetings in a row may place you in bad


   MarkN: if we have too many people not in good standing, we will see how it
   impacts the req for quorum

   Jeff: what rules will you be using for good standing?

   <dorchard> yeah, it's miss more than 1 in 3 meetings.

   MarkN: [ quotes the process / URL above ]
   ... this has to be applied evenly in the WG
   ... this will be applied pretty strictly

   Jeff: I note that there will be telcons during holidays

   Mark: we'll have to figure things out for holidays

   DaveO: both reps count for resetting the standing counter

   Jeff: how do you get it back if you lose it?

   Mark: you basically participate regularly
   ... with regards to the issues process:
   ... I would like to callect issues starting next week at the F2F
   ... I would like to see for each issue a description of the issue, and a
   fairly fleshed out resolution proposal
   ... also, which specifications it applies to should be specified
   ... re decision making: it's a consensus-based process
   ... if we can't establish consensus, we'll use a formal vote with simple
   ... issues won't be reopen without new evidence

Work items and schedule

   Mark: Basis of work: WS-Addressing
   ... deliverables:
   ... Web Services Addressing specification
   ... Web Services Addressing SOAP 1.1 and SOAP 1.2 Binding specification
   ... Web Services Addressing WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2.0 Binding specification
   ... Test suite, with 4 interoperable implementations
   ... we have a fair amount of work ahead of us
   ... re editors: if you are interested in becoming an editor, please contact
   Hugo and I
   ... since we have a tight schedule, I'm going to be inclined to choose
   somebody with W3C editing experince, but it's not a req
   ... for use cases, we will use this as a motivation to make decisions

   Anish: is SOAP 1.1 and WSDL 1.1 being normatively referenced from a Rec an

   Mark: no; note that there will be time next week to discussed issues derived
   from the charter

NYC Face-to-Face

   Mark: I'd like us to walk out with a good understanding of the issues we
   ... also, we need to get to know each other

   Jonathan: I'm interested in knowing what our implementation story is
   ... who has implementations? who has test suites to help us for CR stage?

   Mark: I'll get a revised agenda out today
   ... note that there is a reading list
   ... please register before tonight midnight:

   <harris> dinner Monday sounds good

   Mark: it is traditional to have a group dinner
   ... maybe on Monday

   Paco: I'll look for places to go to

   <Rebecca> bye

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Hugo to link polls from home page [recorded in

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   1. http://www.w3.org/
   2. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-addressing/2004Oct/0022.html
   3. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-irc
   4. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#agenda
   5. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#item01
   6. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#item02
   7. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#item03
   8. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#item04
   9. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#ActionSummary
  10. http://www.w3.org/2004/09/wsa-charter.html
  11. http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/info/name.php3
  12. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36696/telcontime/
  13. http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
  14. http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/groups.html#good-standing
  15. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36696/addr200410/
  16. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-irc#T17-12-43
  17. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
  18. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/scribe.perl

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