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RE: Sample SOAP message on the wire with Reference Properties and Parameters (without a wrapper!)

From: Srinivas, Davanum M <Davanum.Srinivas@ca.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:20:19 -0500
Message-ID: <87527035FDD42A428221FA578D4A9A5B086CF18E@usilms24.ca.com>
To: "Martin Gudgin" <mgudgin@microsoft.com>, "Christopher B Ferris" <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
Cc: "Glen Daniels" <gdaniels@sonicsoftware.com>, <public-ws-addressing@w3.org>, <public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org>

Summarizing (for my own benefit):
Suppose there is a .NET shop with an application already deployed and
working with a combination of RefProp's and RefParam's and they want to
install a web service management solution (proxy-based?) that monitors
the Addressing thingies flowing through the system, they have to
manually enter ALL the Qname's for ALL the RefProp's and RefParam's in
their (already existing and working!) system AND THEN they will be able
to monitor what's happening. This situation is because there is NO way
to distinguish between regular soap headers and reference properties and
reference parameters.

-- dims

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gudgin [mailto:mgudgin@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:52 AM
To: Srinivas, Davanum M; Christopher B Ferris
Cc: Glen Daniels; public-ws-addressing@w3.org;
public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org
Subject: RE: Sample SOAP message on the wire with Reference Properties
and Parameters (without a wrapper!)

Personally, I'd just use different Qnames.

Gudge 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Srinivas, 
> Davanum M
> Sent: 23 November 2004 14:45
> To: Christopher B Ferris
> Cc: Glen Daniels; public-ws-addressing@w3.org; 
> public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Sample SOAP message on the wire with Reference Properties

> and Parameters (without a wrapper!)
> 
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> RefParams and RefProps are used for 2 different things and we don't 
> want to know which one is which?????? If I am a management proxy and 
> my user wants to track only RefParams for his web service endpoint, i 
> should be able to do that without asking my user to type in the 
> Qname's for each RefParam?
> 
> -- dims
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher B Ferris [mailto:chrisfer@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:36 AM
> To: Srinivas, Davanum M
> Cc: Glen Daniels; public-ws-addressing@w3.org; 
> public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Sample SOAP message on the wire with Reference Properties

> and Parameters (without a wrapper!)
> 
> It is irrelevant. It is assumed that the endpoint that receives these 
> SOAP header blocks knows why it put them in the EPR in the first 
> place.
> There is no need to distinguish which were ref props and which were 
> ref params in the EPR.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Christopher Ferris
> STSM, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
> email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
> blog: http://webpages.charter.net/chrisfer/blog.html
> phone: +1 508 377 9295
> 
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> "Srinivas, Davanum M" <Davanum.Srinivas@ca.com> Sent by:
> public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org
> 11/23/2004 09:26 AM
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> RE: Sample SOAP message on the wire with Reference Properties and 
> Parameters (without a wrapper!)
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> Next question, when you get a soap message on the wire with "four 
> other random headers" how do you distinguish that a few of them are 
> RefProp's and others are RefParam's? See my point?
> 
> -- dims
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen Daniels [mailto:gdaniels@sonicsoftware.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:21 AM
> To: Srinivas, Davanum M
> Cc: public-ws-addressing@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Sample SOAP message on the wire with Reference Properties

> and Parameters (without a wrapper!)
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> > Does anyone have a Sample SOAP message on the wire with Reference 
> > Properties AND Parameters (without a wrapper element!)?
> 
> Uh, sure - pick any SOAP message with <wsa:To>, <wsa:Action>, and 
> let's say four other random headers.  You can then construct EPRs 
> which have those other headers as either RefProps or RefParams.  
> Voila.
> 
> --Glen
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