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[whatwg] New markup constructs

From: James Graham <jg307@cam.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:00:23 +0000
Message-ID: <45DAF0E7.6060701@cam.ac.uk>
Gervase Markham wrote:
> James Graham wrote:
>> [1] http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/classes.html
> 
> What a useful URL. Where in that data is the basis for this "hi" or "m" 
> element which has caused so much discussion recently?

Since it is designed as an annotation to a page rather than a part of the 
markup, I don't think that it would show up in such a study.

> As I skim the flood of mail on that subject, I must confess that it 
> seems that, while prospective use cases can be constructed, and fine 
> semantic details can be carefully defined, I don't see the web today 
> crying out for this element, or having to work around its lack.

I believe the element was introduced on the basis that there are lots of pages 
that perform some kind of highlighting, especially of others' content e.g. 
Google [1] and Yahoo[2] both use this on their cache pages, cam.ac.uk use it on 
their search pages [3] (as I suspect do any other ultraseek based searches) and 
popular browser addons seem to offer this functionality e.g. [4]. I certianly 
agree that there are sufficient real world examples of the proposed semantics to 
make this element worth consideration. Presumably the benefits of a specific 
element would include a better accessibility story and CSS-based customisation 
of the highlighting style.

> The current spec is pretty massive, and contains a lot of good stuff. As 
> the above URL shows, we've covered all the major bases. At this stage, 
> should we be erring on the side of not increasing the size without an 
> excellent, real-world reason?

I strongly agree with that in general.

[1] 
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:rL_bO-_wkrIJ:www.surtell.com/projects_code_google_highlighting.asp+google+highlighting&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3
[2] 
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=highlighting&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&vc=&fp_ip=UK&u=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntax_highlighting&w=highlighting&d=RO_V2-xsOTfc&icp=1&.intl=us
[3] http://web-search.cam.ac.uk/query.html?qt=xray
[4] 
http://help.msn.com/resources/targeted/en-US/msnsearchtoolbar_v1/content/SEARCHTBAR_PROC_UseHLV.htm
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