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Re: Webplatform Facebook Group

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:13:02 -0400
Message-ID: <5531694E.5030400@w3.org>
To: abhimanyu0003 <abhimanyu@japanaddicts.org>
CC: Russell <sgtpooki@gmail.com>, public-webplatform@w3.org
Hi, Abhimanyu–

Thanks for taking the initiative to create that Facebook group.

Actually, we already created a Facebook group as an experiment, back 
when you first suggested it. We'd prefer to use that site; we've taken 
the liberty of adding you as an admin.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/WebPlatform.org/

Let's continue this discussion about how to best use this resource, and 
other social media resources.

Regards–
–Doug


On 4/16/15 11:56 PM, abhimanyu0003 wrote:
> Thanks for accepting this proposal. G+ is not better than Facebook,
> they're both the same (with Facebook's membership times more than G+').
> There are many technical groups on Facebook too, you probably have just
> not looked. Their differences don't matter, they're both the same.
>
> I also agree that we need proper marketing and publicising but first,
> we'll need to make the group active and add as many members from WPD as
> we can. Here's the URL, so if you have a Facebook account, just visit it.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/WebPlatformOfficial/
>
> I could publicise it in appropriate places, but I'm not sure that will
> be very helpful when we've just begun. First we have to establish some
> authority, so that when people look, they know that we mean serious
> content. A new group won't give that impression, so let's stay away from
> publicising right now (however, we can use technical forums to target
> aspiring members saying that we're new and need members, that'll be a
> totally different thing).
>
> ---
> </Abhimanyu>
>
>
> ---- On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:54:05 +0530 *Doug Schepers
> <schepers@w3.org>* wrote ----
>
>     Hi, Russell–
>
>     I tend agree with you that G+ might be a better place to get
>     high-quality contributions, but I'm open to anything that helps
>     build an
>     maintain the contributor community.
>
>     I like what you're saying about marketing and publicity. Are you
>     interested in helping brainstorm and drive that?
>
>     Regards–
>     –Doug
>
>     On 4/16/15 10:41 PM, Russell wrote:
>      > Hi All,
>      >
>      > I've been eavesdropping for a while and finally thought I would
>     throw in
>      > my two cents on this. Probably more like two hundred cents..
>      >
>      > I think the group needs a lot more exposure, but I am worried that a
>      > Facebook group could bring in a lot of bad submissions. Is there
>     an easy
>      > way to manage non-serious submissions? I have seen much more of a
>      > programmer / IT community on G+, so I would throw in my vote for
>     that
>      > before Facebook, but we still have the potential for the same
>     problem.
>      > Twitter could be even better, but there is already a web platform
>      > account, it just doesn't seem to be doing much evangelism.
>      >
>      > Either way, we definitely need a core group of individuals
>     dedicated to
>      > marketing and publicity if this project is going to take off like it
>      > needs to. I remember hearing about the webplatform when it first
>     started
>      > up and remember the excitement within myself and my fellow
>     developers,
>      > but I don't think anyone really remembers anything about it until
>     they
>      > randomly stumble upon it again. All the devs I know use MDN, Dash,
>      > devdocs.io <http://devdocs.io>, or whatwg. I find myself using those
>      > more often too, as webplatform doesn't seem to have the "umph"
>     needed to
>      > take over.
>      >
>      > Part of this is because webplatform rarely shows on Google results.
>      > Webplatform.org does not rank anywhere close to MDN and we are not
>      > showing for the most common of css/html/javascript searches. We
>     need to
>      > hit Google's front-page, and thinking about it more now, I think
>     that is
>      > most important. Let's make all the groups.
>      >
>      > Have we worked on SEO at all? Is anyone pointing to webplatform.org
>      > <http://webplatform.org>'s site when answering stackoverflow
>     questions?
>      >
>      >
>      > On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:13 PM Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org
>     <mailto:schepers@w3.org>
>      > <mailto:schepers@w3.org>> wrote:
>      >
>      > Hi, Abhimanyu–
>      >
>      > Okay, let's explore this idea again. I admit to being skeptical,
>     but if
>      > you think it will help get more contributors, and to keep
>     contributors
>      > active, then I'm open to at least testing it.
>      >
>      > What do you suggest for next steps?
>      >
>      > Regards–
>      > –Doug
>      >
>      > On 4/12/15 3:26 AM, abhimanyu0003 wrote:
>      > > I recommended months ago of having a solid third-party, somewhat
>      > > clutter-ish and compromised portal: an open Facebook group.
>      > >
>      > > I love the WPD and it'll one of the best technical projects in the
>      > > future, but my other priorities are so easy to get my hands into,
>      > while
>      > > contributing and discussing WPD work is non-modern.
>      > >
>      > > An open Facebook group will mean our attention being diverted
>     to WPD
>      > > more frequently and have much more members (an open group is
>     seen by
>      > > friends ofall members, thus increasing our visibility and getting
>      > more
>      > > enthusiastic contributors).
>      > >
>      > > ---
>      > > &#60;/Abhimanyu&#62;
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > ---- On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 04:19:12 +0530 *aaa@bzfx.net
>     <mailto:aaa@bzfx.net>
>      > <mailto:aaa@bzfx.net>* wrote ----
>      > >
>      > > Have we reached out to see how we can be more accommodating?i
>      > >
>      > > I'd much prefer not using a vendor-specific, or even
>      > > vendor-controlled, source.
>      > >
>      > > Austin.
>      > >
>      > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 1:46 AM, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com
>     <mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>
>      > <mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>
>      > > <mailto:phistuck@gmail.com <mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>      > >
>      > > While it is not dead, some vendors (or a single vendor?) are
>      > > instructing their members to prefer
>      > >
>      >
>     <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msg/blink-dev/RNk93vpOaV8/2_hw97dJ0NQJ>
>
>      > > other
>      > >
>      >
>     <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msg/blink-dev/RNk93vpOaV8/fhNVU0s8DCQJ>
>
>      > > documentation venues.
>      > > To me, this is really sad.
>      > >
>      > > Perhaps you can do something about it?
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > ☆*PhistucK*
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Jonathan Garbee
>      > > <jonathan@garbee.me <mailto:jonathan@garbee.me>
>     <mailto:jonathan@garbee.me>
>      > <mailto:jonathan@garbee.me <mailto:jonathan@garbee.me>>> wrote:
>      > >
>      > > These kinds of projects also don't just get a jump start
>      > > then take off and keep going. Initial interest
>      > happens, all
>      > > the people who are just interested head out, then you are
>      > > left with a far smaller group of core contributors. Then
>      > > over time that core group even changes as life
>      > happens and
>      > > new shiny things come along. (Try to recall the often
>      > > provided bell-curve of tech adoption, then make the curve
>      > > narrower and far more dramatic. Then toss a few more
>      > curves
>      > > in over time.)
>      > >
>      > > Documentation projects in particular have one major flaw,
>      > > people don't feel it is worth their time to
>      > contribute. They
>      > > are paid to do write code that functions and move on
>      > to the
>      > > next thing. So taking time out to contribute to a
>      > document
>      > > is hardly on their mind. WPD is in a very slow-pace
>      > area and
>      > > we want contributors that really care about the
>      > quality of
>      > > their work. That quality comes at the cost of things
>      > moving
>      > > even slower.
>      > >
>      > > Things aren't dead, they are just stagnant. As WPD offers
>      > > wider community engagement then hopefully we can
>      > collect a
>      > > few more core contributors that will make things not
>      > seem so
>      > > slow. I'd much rather have a handful of core contributors
>      > > that do true quality work then an army of low-quality
>      > > contributions that makes things seem more active. The
>      > > content provided is far more useful in the end that way.
>      > >
>      > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Doug Schepers
>      > > <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org> <mailto:schepers@w3.org>
>      > <mailto:schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>> wrote:
>      > >
>      > > Yes, Austin has been a really prolific contributor
>      > > (thanks!), and we also have Nishanth Babu adding
>      > > beginner DOM tutorials, among many other contributors
>      > > and content.
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > We've actually concentrated quite a lot on
>      > > infrastructure over the last few months; Renoir
>      > has done
>      > > a great job.
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > We're even adding over some new functionality, like
>      > > specs.webplatform.org <http://specs.webplatform.org>
>      > <http://specs.webplatform.org>
>      > > that hosts more experimental specifications, and
>      > adding
>      > > a technical discussion area where developers and
>      > > designers can ask questions about spec
>      > development. Our
>      > > emphasis is on closing the gap between standards
>      > > development and developers.
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > Regards–
>      > >
>      > > –Doug
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > On 4/10/15 6:31 PM, Austin William Wright wrote:
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > Slow maybe, not dead. Over the last month I've
>      > > touched almost all the
>      > >
>      > > HTML element pages, merging duplicates, adding
>      > > examples, correcting
>      > >
>      > > normative references, and importing data.
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > I also noticed a great TLS/HTTPS upgrade, and
>      > > MediaWiki upgrade, iirc.
>      > >
>      > > So even the server is getting love, it's not
>      > just me.
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > Austin Wright.
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Ric Johnson
>      > > <ric@opendomain.org <mailto:ric@opendomain.org>
>      > <mailto:ric@opendomain.org> <mailto:ric@opendomain.org
>      > <mailto:ric@opendomain.org>>
>      > >
>      > > <mailto:ric@opendomain.org
>      > <mailto:ric@opendomain.org>
>      > > <mailto:ric@opendomain.org
>      > <mailto:ric@opendomain.org>>>> wrote:
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > Is the WebPlatform project dead? I have not
>      > > seen any progress in
>      > >
>      > > quite a while.
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > I thought this was an amazing chance to help
>      > > new developers learn
>      > >
>      > > web technologies, but it seems that we have
>      > > dropped the ball.
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > Is there anyone interested in kicking this
>      > > project back on gear?
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > Ric Johnson
>      > >
>      > > OpenDomain
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      >
>
>
>
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