RE: Video training on WPD

My thought process, though, was that outdated material especially on obscure topics, may sometimes happen and having an indicator next to the information can help people to have a sense of what the community thinks is up to date. While I'm not sure where one can view all the flags, but I am sure that I wouldn't want to track down each item, and worse, I wouldn't want to assume that the info was good just because its on a great site only to find that it was not.
 
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> From: cmills@opera.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:01:35 +0000
> CC: komoroske@google.com; greg.knoke@gmail.com; davidmbradbury@gmail.com; jonathan@garbee.me; public-webplatform@w3.org
> To: rickhassen@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Video training on WPD
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> We already have an "Outdated" flag. More details can be provided in the editorial notes form field.
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> Chris Mills
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> Co-chair, web education community group, W3C
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> On 6 Nov 2012, at 07:24, Rick Hassen <rickhassen@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Would it make sense to have a flag to signify when something is out of date? This way users can 1) see that a video is considered out of date by others and 2) alert authors/content creators that there is a section that needs updating.
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> > :: Richard Hassen
> > :: Graphic and Interactive Designer
> > :: rickhassen@hotmail.com
> > :: cell 415.577.6387
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> > > From: cmills@opera.com
> > > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:20:19 +0000
> > > CC: greg.knoke@gmail.com; davidmbradbury@gmail.com;jonathan@garbee.me; public-webplatform@w3.org
> > > To: komoroske@google.com
> > > Subject: Re: Video training on WPD
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> > > We also need to make sure it satisfies reasonable a11y requirements, and that means providing transcripts. I think we should accept video contributions, as long as the contributors satisfy a reasonable list of requirements, and understand that updating the video will be necessary, and pretty much on their heads (it is a lot harder to splice in new content in a seamless way with video, than an article.)
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> > > We can always take a video down if it starts to become disastrously out of date, with no hope of an update.
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> > > Chris Mills
> > > Open standards evangelist and dev.opera.com editor, Opera Software
> > > Co-chair, web education community group, W3C
> > > Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://my.opera.com/chrismills/blog/2012/07/12/practical-css3-my-book-is-finally-published)
> > > 
> > > * Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
> > > * Learn about the latest open standards technologies and techniques: http://dev.opera.com
> > > * Contribute to web education: http://www.w3.org/community/webed/
> > > 
> > > On 5 Nov 2012, at 20:59, Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com> wrote:
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> > > > I was going to chime in, but then realized that Greg made almost all of the exact points I was going to make. Video content is great, but there's a very real risk of it becoming out of date quickly.
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> > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Greg Knoke <greg.knoke@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
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> > > > I'm a bit of a lurker on this list, but as someone who has produced training videos in the past I do have some thoughts on this topic:
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> > > > 1. Video training can go stale very quickly and it's more effort to update a video than editing a wiki. If we are including this video training, who would ultimately be responsible for updating it? My feeling is that far fewer people are willing to contribute to maintaining such a thing. I would hate to see WPD become littered with out-of-date videos that no one updates.
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> > > > 2. I am completely behind supporting people who learn in a primarily audio/visual way. However, my own experience is that programming is generally difficult to learn via video instruction. I suspect the majority of people try to follow along with an example and code it themselves.. This often means frequently looking back and forth between the example and whatever you're trying to work on. Pausing a video at just the right frame can be frustrating if it is not designed with that in mind.
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> > > > 3. With regards to these particular videos, I concur with David that any included videos should be technically accurate, relevant, and high-quality to mesh with the quality goals of WPD. It's very difficult to do a video that is sufficiently engaging to make learning enjoyable.
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> > > > That said, I am not advocating against video training if it is done well. I just think it introduces a level of complexity that should be carefully considered beyond licensing concerns.
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> > > > --Greg
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> > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:41 PM, David Bradbury <davidmbradbury@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Regarding videos in general, I think as long as some basic standards and licencing guidelines are followed, it would be just fine. That said, I think some consideration needs to be given as to whether it would look like a blog and/or product is being endorsed by WP and its associated stewards. Video content also takes much longer to moderate assuming we are making sure to watch the videos that are embedded in the docs.
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> > > > Regarding these particular videos posted, I already have a few issues (not limited to his use of XHTML Transitional, break tags, and horizontal rule tags (complete with width/size attributes, etc...)). Those issues can be addressed in the QA post itself, but it demonstrates that we need to make sure that videos that are included are high quality, relevant, up-to-date, and hopefully make the learning process enjoyable.
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> > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Jonathan Garbee <jonathan@garbee.me> wrote:
> > > > I just approved this [1] post on the Q&A and thought it would be a great thing to bring up.
> > > > 
> > > > What do you guys think of video training on WPD? Licensing would need to be worked out appropriately, but still worth thinking about.
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> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Garbee
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> > > > [1] http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2472/video-training
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