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Re: Google payment plans

From: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 17:48:34 +0200
Message-ID: <5346BD52.6090002@gmail.com>
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
CC: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Web Payments CG <public-webpayments@w3.org>
On 2014-04-10 17:28, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
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> On 10 April 2014 17:23, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     On 2014-04-10 17:12, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
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>     > On 10 April 2014 16:42, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>>> wrote:
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>     >     Microsoft recently set the license fee for Windows Phone to $0.
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>     >     That's what I in an off-list message meant with taking *extreme measures*.
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>     >     The W3C payment initiative requires a similarly unorthodox action to succeed
>     >     otherwise it it will only get the same ill fate as WebID.
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>     > Reports of the demise of WebID are greatly exaggerated.
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>     > It's the most widely deployed identity system on the web.  Including some of the FOAF cloud and also facebook graph.
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>     > It's only the TLS/X.509 portion (ie authentication) that still appears to be a barrier.
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>     Yes, client-side PKI has essentially not progressed since Netscape invented back in the 90'ties.
>     That's why payments are stuck unless you are prepared taking *extreme measures*.
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> Does the web crypto API count?  I think google will implement this, even if mozilla dont (Im unsure the current status on that one).  Im also unsure the crypto currency curves will get in the registry.
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> What I'd love to see is a mozilla labs redux of identity in the browser along the lines of:
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> http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/identity-in-the-browser-firefox/ <http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/identity-in-the-browser-firefox/>
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> Would that count as an *extreme measure* ... or are we talking about plugins/forking the browser?

There's no lack of suitable technologies or solutions, it is the absence of a
funding, process and deployment model matching Google that's the problem.

Anders

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>     > But that has been more recently split off from the core identity piece, which is simple and self contained.
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>     > I still view WebID as one of the most exciting technologies out there.  With some tweaking, it would be a great match for the identity piece of web payments.  I will certainly be using it that way.
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>     >     Best
>     >     Anders
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