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Re: Perceived issues with TLS Client Auth

From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:48:19 +0200
Cc: Ben Laurie <benl@google.com>, public-webid <public-webid@w3.org>
Message-Id: <4FD0180B-CFFD-4EED-BC45-433117E47A62@bblfish.net>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>

On 27 Sep 2012, at 15:22, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:

> On 9/27/12 6:34 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>> I don't think we should expect everyone to write Turtle ( though I think as part of a logic course at high school that would be a great idea ), but that does not mean we should assume people have no intelligence at all. And certainly we should not try to act as if they did not have any either, and we should not use the pretext of a too quickly assigned mental level - that marketing folks like to promote to people they sell advertising to - in order to remove people's freedom.
> 
> Note, when I make reference to write Turtle by hand [1][2][3], its purely as a basis for:
> 
> 1. understanding Linked Data concepts modulo distractions such as:
>    - domain name ownership
>    - dns access and admin privileges
>    - http server access and admin privileges
>    - entity name disambiguation matters associated with http: scheme uris when used as entity denotation (naming) mechanism
> 
> 2. appreciate the benefits of tools.
> 
> I just want to be crystal clear about the reasons behind my view that:
> 
> 1. people should learn the basics of Linked Data via a simple Turtle document
> 2. ditto the basics of the WebID authentication protocol.
> 
> All my staff and kids (bar my 5 year old that's getting close) can read and write simple Turtle documents. The can create simple digital sentences that claim:
> 
> ## Doc Content Start ##
> 
> <#i> like <#that> .
> <#i> know <#thatPerson> .
> <#i> made <#that> .
> 
> ## Doc content end ##
> 
> After that, they open up a Linked Data browser and just can't stop expanding what started off as a very basic experiment re. self expression. Especially, when the understand the power of cross referencing URIs from DBpedia etc..

+1 I also think in should be taught in high school as part of a logic course, which could tie in very well with Philosophy and mathemtatics and so of course the internet and computing, and well then everything :-)

Ben may not know but Turtle is in final call
  http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/



> 
>> 
>>> >
>>>>> >>>If I visit joe.name and cannot log in because I have no cert, I
>>>>> >>>have to somehow get a new cert issued with the right WebID (i.e. the
>>>>> >>>one joe.name is expecting). How do I do that?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>If you lost your Google+ certificate you:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>1. go to google+
>>>> >>2. login - if you lost your password, you get your social network to help you recover it
>>>> >>3. delete the old certificate listed there
>>>> >>4. get a new certificate
>>> >
>>> >See above.
>> Don't underestimate people's intelligence.
>> 
> Amen!
> 
> Links:
> 
> 1. http://bit.ly/NYwGCd -- basic Turtle template
> 2. http://bit.ly/SBDmXr -- describing stuff you like via a simple Turtle document
> 3. http://bit.ly/O4LNKf -- how to create and control your own Web-scale verifiable identity .
> 
> -- 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kingsley Idehen	
> Founder & CEO
> OpenLink Software
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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