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Re: Moving forward with web education work

From: prisca <prisca@eyedea.eu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:40:13 +0000
Message-ID: <CABJ7i6XwyxnFpBdoGzvPzYm5eV=Eb7R870=M0=KPCiw2ZYM2-A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
Cc: public-webed@w3.org
Hey Chris :)

echoing others - all I can do is apologise sorry for not replying
sooner.... especially after I mentioned  my struggles to you with trying to
get involved here....
sorry about that...

all this does though is highlight the problem that I have - and many others
who are teaching might have the same issues. With the overload of
bureaucracy demanded for documenting learner's progress etc now growing
more and more each year it seems - this does take time away from everything

I'm delivering teaching for web - and I would love to contribute - but
keeping up with the messages via this email group with lots of useful
suggestions and comments I found hard and almost impossible, simply due to
the sheer amount of emails. I tried to read them all - couldn't find the
time, I tried to comment on some of the thoughts brought forward and some
of the ideas I had - again, lack of time and keeping track of the comments
meant I didn't do that either.

I love where this is going and can see how brilliant this could be -
however - I am getting worried about how suitable some of these materials
would be for teaching, especially for entry level students. I can only go
by colleagues of mine who are delivering A-Levels, GCSEs and level 1/2
courses - and who are now all asked to deliver web related units.
I always have to think of Anna Debenham and what she highlighted in her
talks, silly units, odd requirements etc...

Looking at the bits that I managed to keep up with on here - I couldn't see
anything that I could forward to them to help them out. All seemed much
more related to proper web design/development teaching - all a bit too
advanced , perhaps too technically worded for my colleagues to be able to
use easily. I'm sure those resources will be brilliant for courses which
aim to train up the new cohort of webdesigners/developers - so that's all

However, how about the entry level - the practical approach to teaching
people only the very basics - to get nice project brief written to apply
those skills, to have teaching material that could be used in the class
room - for both adults and younger age groups?
All I know is that a lot of teaching is really out of date - and that
starts with the entry level or more introductory teaching, not only the
full on web related courses only.

Please don't get me wrong - for example, the Web Standards
truly fantastic - very useful and a brilliant resource for all,
accessible easily etc etc.... I have tried to use it in class - and my
students are adults, aiming to work as webdesigners. So I thought it will
be perfect - the right target group for this sort of content, writing style
and level.
But my individual lessons with more visual documentation (often not always)
and a more custom presentation, like coloured arrows, highlighted text and
plenty of screenshots are the ones my students tend to take to much easier
than the brilliant articles on the Web Standards Curriculum ... to my
(an example, just to show you what I mean, here's a tutorial on FireFTP I
wrote 5 years ago by now...:
http://graphiceyedea.co.uk/11/upload-via-ftp-in-firefox-fireftp - very
popular with students who seem to refer back to outside of class and cope
just fine with solving issues themselves)

Considering my colleagues and their students who need to do web only as a
small part of their courses - all this is even more of an issue....

Now, I'm not saying I have any answers here — these are just a few thoughts
which I meant to commment on much sooner....

Basically, I'm worried there's lots of time spent creating, collating and
producing resources which might be wrong for teaching in the classroom and
be more of a reference for more advanced students, rather than a practical
solution right now.
I think we need people who need to teach web to test these as we go along -
get feedback during the process and amend/edit to suit.

I thought that maybe a forum might be a better way for us all to move
things forward? Possibly organised into categories by level, filter option
by tag for topics?
I feel I would be able to manage that better ~ for example, if I write up
something for my students anyway - say about
typography<http://graphiceyedea.co.uk/11/typography-for-the-web/>- I
could then just add this to the right category on the forum, get
feedback - or share it is as resource.

As for getting my colleagues some support in their teaching - they might
not have time or motivation to be involved directly themselves - but a
forum might offer the right platform for them to find useful resources to
use immediately, try out and give feedback directly. I imagine lots of good
input on wording and illustrative examples.

I'm not sure if this would be any better at all or not - just a thought....

Hope this is useful and not just rambling on... :)

Prisca Schmarsow ✪ 07969 713 329
graphiceyedea.co.uk *•* eyelearn.org *•* webeyedea.info
student forum:

On 13 January 2012 14:21, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:

> Hello all!
> I hope the new year is treating you well.
> Today I wanted to discuss something important with you - moving forward
> with this whole project, and the best way to do so.
> I think it is becoming clear that the way I have tried to run this so far
> has not been very successful - people are finding it hard to engage and
> contribute. Some people have told me this explicitly. So, how best to
> proceed?
> Broadly what we want out of this is:
> 1. Useful discussions pertaining to web education
> 2. Sharing and development of ideas/methodologies that will be useful to
> educators and students
> 3. Creation and sharing of learning resources, including tutorials,
> references and curricula.
> 4. Outreach to as many relevant educators and students as possible, so
> they can all benefit
> 5. [Add your own, if you think I've missed anything]
> At the moment the tools we have available are mailing lists and a Wiki,
> pretty much, plus the usual communication tools we use every day. What I
> would most like to do in the short term is:
> 1. Get people writing/updating/editing/proof reading learning material and
> curricula
> 2. Get people working on outreach initiatives to spread the world about
> this material
> 3. Get the non-native-English communities to start working on translations
> and outreach to their particular communities.
> What do people need to be able to do this more successfully? Do we need
> different tools? Do I need to start micromanaging a bit more, and handing
> out more specific tasks and deadlines to people, eg "proof read article x
> in the next couple of weeks"?
> Let me know what you think everyone.
> thanks! ;-)
> Chris Mills
> Open standards evangelist and dev.opera.com editor, Opera Software
> Co-chair, web education community group, W3C
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