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Re: Restructuring of the learning material Wiki

From: Lewis Nyman <hello@lewisnyman.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:17:03 +0100
Message-ID: <CAF0vk2EKRzvy6OsRe-_A57qBzSV0O3XkR0Nu24+v9TOnCNQBQw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
Cc: public-webed@w3.org
"Mobile Web" is a buzzword right now. I'd happily throw it  out in a client
meeting the same I would throw out "HTML5 Web app".

In this context I'd like to push for something more progressive. We aren't
trying to sell a bid here. We are defining a curriculum for future
professionals. It could pay to be forward thinking about this.

I'm not against "Mobile and cross device web development" but I do wonder
how meaningful that term will become in a few years time. "Beyond the
Desktop: developing for all devices" or something similar might be an
opportunity to redefine the concept to be more descriptive.

Or we could take this even further, how many years away are we from
traditional desktops and laptops no longer being the primary device from
which to browse the web? We could bake our cross device principles in to the
whole curriculum instead of confining it to one section.

I'd be interested to know what you think.

Lewis Nyman
07753103690
www.lewisnyman.co.uk
twitter.com/lewisnyman


On 30 September 2011 12:36, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:

> Thanks Lewis - you've made a good point here. Opera advocates one web too,
> and I personally strongly agree with this standpoint. I think some of the
> article descriptions therefore need to be rewritten slightly to take into
> account diverse devices rather than just "mobiles".
>
> The main reason I called it "Mobile web development" is because regardless
> of what we think, or what is accurate or right, "mobile web" is a big buzz
> word that will attract people to this section. When we have got them there,
> we can educate them towards progressive enhancement, adaptive design and
> feature detection, and away from mobile specific sites and browser
> detection. But a buzz term is always useful for grabbing people, usually
> people who should know better and need to be educated ;-)
>
> So what about "Mobile and cross device web development"?
>
> On 30 Sep 2011, at 12:20, Lewis Nyman wrote:
>
> This looks really good Chris. I'm wondering how relatable the "Mobile Web"
> section is in contrast with the "One Web" approach the W3C advocates?
>
> The definition section of mobile web actually ends up undefining the
> phrase. Maybe it's worth renaming the whole section "Cross Device
> Development" or something similar? With the "Mobile Device" market becoming
> more and more diverse maybe we need to publish techniques towards device
> agnostic development.
>
> Lewis Nyman
> 07753103690
> www.lewisnyman.co.uk
> twitter.com/lewisnyman
>
>
> On 30 September 2011 10:59, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been in and restructured the web standards curriculum Wiki page - see
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Web_Standards_Curriculum
>>
>> I removed everything that was half finished/in process/in idea form and
>> put it on to the proposed updated page:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WSC_proposed_updates
>>
>> Can I ask anyone who has an interest to look over the different sections
>> and fill them out with article ideas?
>>
>> I am pretty proficient in the realm of HTML/CSS/Accessibility/Mobile, but
>> I definitely want to find people to add ideas to:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WSC_proposed_updates#OTHER_THINGS_TO_COVER(especially SVG - please grab it and roll it out to it's own section. Doug?
>> Jeremie?)
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WSC_proposed_updates#HTML5_APIS (someone please
>> grab Canvas and give it it's own section! Does anyone feel like writing any
>> of these?)
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WSC_proposed_updates#Accessibility_specifics (I
>> know a fair amount about a11y, but I'm sure Shawn and others on the list who
>> know more than me can improve things)
>>
>> Also feel free to add other ideas if you think anything is missing.
>>
>> Chris Mills
>> Open standards evangelist and dev.opera.com editor, Opera Software
>> Co-chair, web education community group, W3C
>>
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