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RE: www-dom vs public-webapps WAS: [DOM4] Mutation algorithm imposed order on document children

From: Travis Leithead <travis.leithead@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:32:55 +0000
To: Ojan Vafai <ojan@chromium.org>, Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
CC: "esprehn@gmail.com" <esprehn@gmail.com>, www-dom <www-dom@w3.org>, public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
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I wouldn't mind. I'm on both lists anyway. Schepers originally saw it as a way of scoping DOM3 Events discussions away from the noise on public-webapps. I'm not sure that's a real big concern anymore.

From: ojan@google.com [mailto:ojan@google.com] On Behalf Of Ojan Vafai
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:10 AM
To: Arthur Barstow
Cc: esprehn@gmail.com; www-dom; public-webapps
Subject: www-dom vs public-webapps WAS: [DOM4] Mutation algorithm imposed order on document children

This confusion seems to come up a lot since DOM is part of public-webapps but uses a separate mailing list. Maybe it's time to reconsider that decision? It's the editors of the specs who have the largest say here IMO.

Travis, Jacob, Ms2ger, Aryeh, Anne: How would feel about merging DOM discussions back into public-webapps@?

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com<mailto:art.barstow@nokia.com>> wrote:
Elliott, All - please use the www-dom@w3.org<mailto:www-dom@w3.org> list for DOM4 discussions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/>.

(Elliott, since that spec is still in the draft phase, you should probably use the latest Editor's Draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html> instead of the version in w3.org/TR/<http://w3.org/TR/>)

-Thanks, AB

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:        [DOM4] Mutation algorithm imposed order on document children
Resent-Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:01:51 +0000
Resent-From:    <public-webapps@w3.org<mailto:public-webapps@w3.org>>
Date:   Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:39:36 -0700
From:   ext Elliott Sprehn <esprehn@gmail.com<mailto:esprehn@gmail.com>>
To:     <public-webapps@w3.org<mailto:public-webapps@w3.org>>

I'm working on places where Webkit doesn't follow the DOM4 mutation algorithm and one of the bugs is not throwing an exception when a doctype node is inserted after an element in a document (or other permutations of the same situation).


After discussing this with some other contributors there were questions on why we're enforcing the order of the document child nodes. Specifically since inserting a doctype node doesn't actually change the doctype so this situation is very unlikely (possibly never happens) in the wild. Not implementing this keeps the code simpler for a case that developers likely never see.

Can we leave the behavior when your document is out of order unspecified?

- Elliott
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