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Re: i18n comments: (was: [widgets] Span example)

From: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:45:00 +0100
Message-ID: <s2mba4134971003270345z6d30beecu60de2fb97849cdbc@mail.gmail.com>
To: Marcos Caceres <marcosc@opera.com>
Cc: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>, Addison Phillips <addison@amazon.com>, "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>, public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
2010/3/27 Marcos Caceres <marcosc@opera.com>

>
>
> On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>
> wrote:
>
> The spec itself looks fine. It seems that the schema at
> <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-schema/widgets.rnc>
> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-schema/widgets.rnc
> is not up to date yet. It still contains the *ITS* dir attribute, e.g. at
>
> elem.author = element author {
>     attr.xmllang?,
>     attr.itsdir?,
>     attribute href { xsd:anyURI }?,
>     attribute email { xsd:string { pattern=".+@.+" } }?,
>     text?
> }
>
> I think you need to rename attr.itsdir to attr.dir , and change
> attr.itsdir = attribute its:dir { "ltr" | "rtl" | "lro" | "rlo" }
> to
> attr.dir = attribute dir { "ltr" | "rtl" | "lro" | "rlo" }
>
>
> Thanks Felix, I will update the schema. However, the BIDI spec warns, for
> security reasons, to avoid the overrides so I didn't include them into our
> spec. Should I put lro and rlo into the spec regardless?
>


You mean in the schema, right? No, you can leave them out - so attr.dir =
attribute dir { "ltr" | "rtl" } is fine.

Thanks,

Felix



> the spec now contains a note about this in the dir section:
>
>     Note:
>
> Under the guidance of the [BIDI]<http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#bidi> specification,
> the values that would allow directional overrides in this specifications,
> namely Left-to-Right Override (LRO) and Right-to-Left Override (RLO), have
> deliberately been left out of this specification because of security
> concerns (see [UTR36] <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#refsUTR>).
> Authors wanting to override the [BIDI]<http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#bidi> algorithm
> can do so by using [XML] <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#xml> entities
> and the appropriate Unicode directional markers.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Felix
>
> 2010/3/26 Richard Ishida < <ishida@w3.org>ishida@w3.org>
>
>> [Changing the subject to keep the review comment thread clean]
>>
>> Personally, I think we're ok with the changes.
>>
>> RI
>>
>> ============
>> Richard Ishida
>> Internationalization Lead
>> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>>
>>  <http://www.w3.org/International/>http://www.w3.org/International/
>>  <http://rishida.net/>http://rishida.net/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Arthur Barstow [mailto: <art.barstow@nokia.com>
>> art.barstow@nokia.com]
>> > Sent: 19 March 2010 11:49
>> > To: Richard Ishida; Addison Phillips; Felix Sasaki;
>> <public-i18n-core@w3.org>public-i18n-core@w3.org
>> > Cc: public-webapps; Marcos Caceres
>> > Subject: Re: [widgets] Span example
>> >
>> > Richard, Addison, Felix, All,
>> >
>> > Based on my conversations with Marcos and reading this thread, it is
>> > my understanding that you support:
>> >
>> > a) the new <span> element and dir attribute model Marcos added to the
>> > Widget P&C spec [P&C-ED] and consequently,
>> >
>> > b) the removal of the ITS references that were in the December CR
>> > [P&C-CR].
>> >
>> > Would you please confirm this or if my understanding is not correct,
>> > please elaborate on any remaining issues?
>> >
>> > Also, if you have any feedback on the 60 related test cases Marcos
>> > created, please reply to the thread he used to announce those test
>> > cases:
>> >
>> >   [widgets] dir and span tests
>> >   <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/
>> > 0845.html
>> >
>> > -Thanks, Art Barstow
>> >
>> > [P&C-ED] <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/>
>> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
>> > [P&C-CR] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-widgets-20091201/>
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-widgets-20091201/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mar 16, 2010, at 3:15 PM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Richard,
>> > >
>> > > Added the example at:
>> > > <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#span>
>> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#span
>> > >
>> > > Please see also the examples for the dir attribute:
>> > > <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#dir>
>> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#dir
>> > >
>> > > Thanks again for all your time and help!
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Richard Ishida < <ishida@w3.org>
>> ishida@w3.org> wrote:
>> > >> [This is a continuation of one part of the <http://lists.w3.org/>
>> http://lists.w3.org/
>> > >> Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010JanMar/0043.html thread.]
>> > >>
>> > >> It addresses the comment:
>> > >>
>> > >> [[      7.16. The span Element  <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/>
>> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
>> > >> #the-span-element-and-its-attributes
>> > >> [2] I think the example could be improved by having something
>> > >> inside the span with punctuation (eg. exclamation mark) or such,
>> > >> and maybe the description should be in English - otherwise you'd
>> > >> probably want to put the dir on the widget tag and have English in
>> > >> the span. Should I try to find another example ?
>> > >> ]] at <http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/>
>> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Here's my proposed example (thanks to Aharon Lanin for helping
>> > >> with the Hebrew).  I made up something that might appear in a
>> > >> Hebrew widget, rather than an English one, since it's a little
>> > >> more realistic.
>> > >>
>> > >> <widget
>> > >>  xmlns=" <http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets>http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets"
>> > >>  xml:lang="he" dir="rtl">
>> > >>  <name xml:lang="en">GPS Weather!</name>
>> > >>  <description
>> > >>   יישומון ה-<span dir="rtl" xml:lang="en">GPS Weather!</
>> > >> span> מאפשר לך לבדוק את מזג האוויר בכל
>> > >> נקודת GPS ברחבי העולם.
>> > >>  </description>
>> > >> </widget>
>> > >>
>> > >> Here's a version ready to drop into HTML (I suggest you copy it as
>> > >> a unit, to avoid problems with the bidirectional text.)
>> > >>
>> > >> &lt;widget
>> > >>  xmlns=&quot; <http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets&quot>
>> http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets&quot;
>> > >>  xml:lang=&quot;he&quot; dir=&quot;rtl&quot;&gt;
>> > >>  &lt;name xml:lang=&quot;en&quot;&gt;GPS Weather!&lt;/name&gt;
>> > >>  &lt;description
>> > >>   יישומון ה-&lt;span dir=&quot;rtl&quot;
>> > >> xml:lang=&quot;en&quot;&gt;GPS Weather!&lt;/span&gt; מאפשר
>> > >> לך לבדוק את מזג האוויר בכל נקודת GPS
>> > >> ברחבי העולם.
>> > >>  &lt;/description&gt;
>> > >> &lt;/widget&gt;
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Marcos Caceres
>> > > <http://datadriven.com.au>http://datadriven.com.au
>> > >
>> >
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