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Re: [UMP] Server opt-in

From: Tyler Close <tyler.close@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:10:21 -0800
Message-ID: <5691356f1001121510i6fa1e015x9ce31215a436a3ff@mail.gmail.com>
To: Adam Barth <w3c@adambarth.com>
Cc: public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Adam Barth <w3c@adambarth.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Tyler Close <tyler.close@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Adam Barth <w3c@adambarth.com> wrote:
>>> Let my phrase my question another way.  Suppose the following situation:
>>>
>>> 1) I'm a server operator and I want to provide a resource to other web sites.
>>> 2) I've been reading public-webapps and I'm concerned about the
>>> ambient authority in CORS.
>>>
>>> How can I share my resource with other web sites and enjoy the
>>> security benefits of UMP?
>>
>> Follow the advice given in the "Security Considerations" section of
>> the UMP spec:
>>
>> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/UMP/#security
>
> As a server operator, why can't I follow that advice with CORS?

You can.

> Nothing there seems specific to UMP.

UMP is more restrictive on the server than is CORS. UMP doesn't make
the client's ambient authority visible to the server.

> I don't understand how UMP is helping server operators deal with the
> risks of ambient authority.  When a server operator makes a resource
> available via UMP, they're also making it available to CORS with it's
> attendant security model.

UMP is helping server operators define APIs that enable their clients
to defend themselves against CSRF-like vulnerabilities. A CSRF-like
attack takes place on the client-side, not the server-side. The
server's behavior needs to be restricted in a way that enables the
client to communicate its wishes, while defending itself against CSRF.
In particular, the client must be able to make a request without
applying its credentials to the request, so the server must handle the
request without demanding credentials be provided.

--Tyler

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