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Re: [widgets] element-based localization

From: Marcos Caceres <marcosc@opera.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:55:50 +0100
Message-ID: <b21a10670911271155i279d15b3o1b6984f9d27836df@mail.gmail.com>
To: "cyril.concolato" <cyril.concolato@telecom-paristech.fr>
Cc: public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Cyril Concolato
<cyril.concolato@enst.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to implement the element-based localization and I found the spec
> unclear with regards to the inheritance of th xml:lang attribute and I would
> like to propose some improved text.
> First, this attribute is listed as an optional attribute of the widget
> element but the widget element is not localizable, so one does not
> understand why.

D'oh! that should be a "localizable: yes". Thankfully, that's there
for author clarification.

> Then, many other elements (author, preference, icon, content
> ...) don't list this attribute and are not localizable but they can inherit
> the value of this attribute.

This is correct, the are inherited but it has not effect because of
the way elements are gathered in step 7:

For each range in the user agent locales, starting from the first and
moving to the last:

If the value of range is not "*", then retaining document order, let
matching elements be the result of applying lookup to the child
elements of type name, description, and license that are direct
descendents of the root element and whose xml:lang attribute matches
the current range. Append matching elements to the element list.

If the value of range is "*", retaining document order, let
unlocalized elements be all child elements that are direct descendents
of the root element that do not have an implicit or explicit xml:lang
attribute (i.e., match unlocalized content). Append unlocalized
elements to the element list.

> The rest of the elements may have the attribute
> specified or inherited and use it for localization.


> The paragraph explaining this behavior says:
> "If an element is marked as being localizable via xml:lang with the word
> "no", it means that the element is not localizable via element-based
> localization. In other words, exclusion of an xml:lang  on an element
> indicates that that element is unlocalized content, except in the case
> whereby a parent element uses xml:lang  (this maintains consistency with the
> behavior of xml:lang as specified in the [XML] specification). Explicitly
> declaring xml:lang overrides any xml:lang value inherited from a parent
> element."
> I think this paragraph (especially the last 2 sentences) are unclear. I
> would propose that you clarify as follows:

I agree...

> "As per [XML] specification, the xml:lang attribute can be specified on any
> element, including in the widget namespace, and the normal behavior for this
> attribute shall be applied (i.e. inheritance processing, and propagation of
> the xml:lang attribute on elements on which it is not specified). However,
> in this specification, the value of the xml:lang attribute (inherited or
> specified) shall be used for element-based localization only on the elements
> that indicates "Localizable via xml:lang: Yes.""

I agree with text above. I think we should include it (with a few
insignificant stylistic changes - see below). It's more precise than
what is currently there and clears up the ambiguity that Cyril has

I've added this to the editor's draft:

"As part of their definition, the XML elements of the configuration
document are marked as being localizable via xml:lang with either the
word "yes" or "no". An author can use the xml:lang attribute on any
XML element, including any element in the widget namespace. During
Step 7, the user agent will apply the standardized behavior of
xml:lang specified in the [XML] specification (i.e. inheritance and
propagation of the xml:lang attribute will occur on child elements on
which it was not explicitly used - see example below to see how this
inheritance and propagation works). Regardless of whether xml:lang was
inherited or explicitly used in an element, a user agent will only use
the value of an xml:lang attributes for the purpose of element-based
localization in Step 7 when that element was explicitly marked with
the text "Localizable via xml:lang: Yes" as part of that elements


I would also like to change add the following clarification to widget
elements xml:lang attribute:

"Using this attribute causes all child elements to inherit this
attribute and its value (as is the standardized behavior for the
xml:lang specified in the [XML] specification). However, inheritance
of the value of this attribute by author, preference, icon, and
content has no effect during processing in Step 7 (i.e., elements that
are explicitly marked as "Localizable via xml:lang: no" in this
specification will be treated as if xml:lang had not been inherited or
otherwise used)."


> I would also propose to remove the definition of the xml:lang attribute such
> as:
> "xml:lang
>   Authoring Guidelines:It is optional for authors to use the xml:lang
> attribute with an name element."
> because even if not written, XML allows specifying this attribute on any
> element.

The only reason I would keep these is that they serve as a good
authoring guides (saves authors and those trying to understand the
spec from reading Step 7... which is by no means light reading! :) ).

> Finally, I would also create some tests in the test-suite to check that
> inheritance is applied and used or not depending on the element type.WDYT?

I think it is a good idea to create tests for this. If you have
created some already, please send them to me off-list and I will add
them. I'm happy to discuss further what form these tests should take.

Marcos Caceres
Received on Friday, 27 November 2009 19:56:25 UTC

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