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Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

From: Marcos Caceres <marcosc@opera.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:41:44 +0100
Message-ID: <4AF83838.4000301@opera.com>
To: Robin Berjon <robin@berjon.com>
CC: public-webapps WG <public-webapps@w3.org>


Robin Berjon wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 13:05 , Marcos Caceres wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Robin Berjon <robin@berjon.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:06 , Marcos Caceres wrote:
>>>> 2009/10/5 Robin Berjon <robin@berjon.com>:
>>>>> it seems to me that there's a missing distinction in our list of view
>>>>> modes: the difference between maximised and fullscreen (or perhaps
>>>>> fullscreen and all-screen).
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximised is the case in which the application takes up the entire
>>>>> available screen space minus a little bit of chrome either for
>>>>> itself (a
>>>>> window bar with a title and perhaps some buttons) or for the system
>>>>> (task
>>>>> bar, menu clock, etc.); whereas fullscreen is when the viewport is
>>>>> the same
>>>>> size as the screen (e.g. for video playback).
>>>>>
>>>>> Both desktops and phones tend to have this distinction in one way or
>>>>> another, so it sounds to me as something that we should expose as
>>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> I think application mode already covers this if the application is
>>>> maximized as you defined it.
>>>
>>> If application is maximised, then what is the keyword that describes a
>>> window that has chrome but isn't occupying the entirety of the space
>>> that
>>> windows can?
>>
>> That would be 'application', but not maximized.
>
> Uh, but those can be two different windowing modes, with the chrome
> subtly different and different behaviour (e.g. the window can't be
> dragged if maximised).

That's UA/OS dependent.

> Or are you thinking about this in terms of the broken OSX UI that can't
> tell the difference? If so, I strongly object  it's a usability nightmare.

Exactly, so stop imposing your dirty Vi command-line view of the world 
on the rest of us, Robin! :)

But seriously, I don't think we need to get to the level where we are 
specifying behavior. It should just be enough to say chrome off, chrome 
on. If chrome on, do as you do in your OS. If chrome off and fullscreen, 
then you _may_ do as we say - fullscreen is bla bla.
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