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Re: Seeking earlier feedback from MS [Was: IE Team's Proposal for Cross Site Requests]

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:44:27 -0400
Message-ID: <4853227B.6040906@w3.org>
To: "Michael(tm) Smith" <mike@w3.org>
Cc: Sunava Dutta <sunavad@windows.microsoft.com>, Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>, Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>, Marc Silbey <marcsil@windows.microsoft.com>, "public-webapps@w3.org" <public-webapps@w3.org>, "arun@mozilla.com" <arun@mozilla.com>, Eric Lawrence <ericlaw@exchange.microsoft.com>, Chris Wilson <Chris.Wilson@microsoft.com>, David Ross <dross@windows.microsoft.com>, "Mark Shlimovich (SWI)" <marksh@microsoft.com>, Doug Stamper <dstamper@exchange.microsoft.com>, Zhenbin Xu <Zhenbin.Xu@microsoft.com>

Hey, WebApps Fans-

I'd like to take a step back here for a moment.

I do understand that people are frustrated with the untimely response by 
Microsoft; it has indeed been a long time coming, and further delay is 
inevitably going to raise blood pressure.

But I think that more important than the particular technical issue at 
stake is the preservation of a positive and productive tone in WebApps 
WG communications, including this list.  I'm concerned about this group 
getting off to a bad start, and impairing its functionality.

I think that this will require two things:

1) a more temperate tone in emails, with a minimum of hyperbole, 
politics, exaggeration, polemic, and combative language;

2) a genuine commitment to honoring our commitments, such as promptly 
providing feedback and closing out our actions, so that frustrations 
don't build up and boil over; we are all busy, but we all know that if 
this WG is going to accomplish its goals, we need to recognize that 
anytime we put ourselves in the critical path for a task, not acting 
promptly will result in considerable inconvenience for a large number of 
people, or in a loss of our own credibility (in which case our feedback 
or actions may not be effective).

I suggest that we all take this transition to a new WebApps WG as a 
chance to turn over a new leaf... to clear the slate of our 
frustrations, and to adopt a friendlier atmosphere, and to reaffirm our 
individual commitments to helping this group meet its deliverables.  For 
my part, I owe this group some serious attention on the Element 
Traversal spec and on DOM3 Events; now that WebApps is chartered and I 
don't have to spend time on that anymore, I will be more actively 
working on moving those specs forward.

I trust the chairs to help preserve the peace by enforcing a civil tone 
and by holding people accountable for their responsibilities, and I 
don't want to step on their toes.  But I do hope that the participants 
in this group will consider this.

Best Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF

Michael(tm) Smith wrote (on 6/13/08 7:53 PM):
> Sunava Dutta <sunavad@windows.microsoft.com>, 2008-06-13 14:36 -0700:
> 
>> [Sunava Dutta] We're kind of heads down in our development cycle
>> with IE8 and the F2F is the first opportunity to discuss this at
>> length.  Personally, I have other urgent pending standards
>> related items in HTML 5.0 and Web Apps that I'll be having to
>> attend to.
> 
> I don't find that acceptable. Everyone in the group has been
> waiting for your long-delayed detailed comments with the
> expectation that they would read them, evaluate them, and then
> respond to them in the same way that they read and respond to any
> other comments posted to the discussion.
> 
> You've yet to actually even deliver the comments to the group in
> a way that makes it possible for members of the group to even read
> them at all. You've missed the deadline you agreed to initially
> (June 6) and also have missed the adjusted date you committed to
> providing them (Tuesday or Wednesday this week at the latest).
> 
> When you do finally provide them to the group in the way that
> you've been asked to (that is, without requiring members to agree
> to a license in order just to read them, and in plain text or HTML
> or short of that, as a PDF attachment), just dropping the comments
> on the group and then saying that you have no plans to discuss
> them at length during the next two weeks is not going to work.
> 
>   --Mike
> 
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