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DOM3 Events Telcon Minutes, 27 Feb 2008

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:06:07 -0500
Message-ID: <47C5D0BF.6050501@w3.org>
To: Web API public <public-webapi@w3.org>

Hi, WebAPI fans-

The minutes for the 27 Feb 2008 DOM3 Events telcon can be found here:

  http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html

Or as text, below:

    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -

                        Web API WG Teleconference
                               27 Feb 2008

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/27_Feb_2008

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Carmelo, Andrew_Emmons, Doug, Travis

    Regrets
    Chair
           Doug

    Scribe
           Carmelo

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]DoubleClick
          2. [6]Double Click
          3. [7]lets differ wheels to next week
          4. [8]dblclick Tests
          5. [9]'alt'-key
          6. [10]mousewheel overview
      * [11]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________



    <trackbot> Date: 27 February 2008

    <scribe> Scribe: Carmelo

    <scribe> ScribeNick:Carmelo

    <TL> Here I am.

    TL: Changes his name to Travis

    DS: We decided not to talk about Key events
    ... We need to decide how to handle keyboards and that sort of
    things
    ... Lets start with Double Click

DoubleClick

Double Click

    <aemmons>
    [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0050.h
    tml

      [12] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0050.html

    AS: Two issuus Regarding Doubing Click

    DS: Can u summarize?

    AS: Should the detail value be for Double Click?
    ... Consensus is should be teh same as click
    ... Described and explained teh link above

    TL: Can an example be provid?

    R: detail for double click will be the same a the click

    <aemmons> RESOLUTION: detail for double click will be the same a the
    click

    <aemmons> RESOLUTION: We accept the current wording in the spec
    regarding what the current click count means

    <shepazu> ACTION: aemmons to add informative examples of different
    click counts for dblclick [recorded in
    [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Add informative examples of
    different click counts for dblclick [on Andrew Emmons - due
    2008-03-05].

    DS: We are finish with double Click

lets differ wheels to next week

    DS: Let's review the DoubleClick Test

    <shepazu>
    [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0161.h
    tml

      [14] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0161.html

dblclick Tests

    <shepazu> test 1:
    [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0161.h
    tml

      [15] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0161.html

    DS; If red shown in the test it means failure

    DS: Green usually a pass
    ... Instruction For each test

    <scribe> ACTION: Doug to provied test template [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Provied test template [on Doug
    Schepers - due 2008-03-05].

    DS: Test should work on every Browser
    ... Test should figure out if person Double Click
    ... How can we actually check for that?
    ... We should make a framework for the test

    <scribe> ACTION: TL to give us a script library that will add
    listener events. [recorded in
    [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Give us a script library that will
    add listener events. [on Travis Leithead - due 2008-03-05].

    <shepazu> ACTION: Travis to provide simple abstraction layer for
    addEventListener [recorded in
    [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action04]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - Provide simple abstraction layer for
    addEventListener [on Travis Leithead - due 2008-03-05].

    DS: We will build a script layer for testing

    Carmelo: How critical is add eventListener?

    DS: mmmm not sure?

    TL: addEventListener is one of the key pieces different from
    implementations
    ... Another piece that is different Scope of the event object itself

    TL; Will be happy to provide a small library to buil on

    TL: Will be happy to provide a small library to buil on

    <aemmons>
    [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0164.h
    tml

      [19] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0164.html

    AE: Above link is an SVG version of the NIST test

    AS: Lets Move on

    DS: Ok

'alt'-key

    <shepazu> [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/issues/122

      [20] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/issues/122

    TL: ALT key events is sometimes loose.
    ... Explained the issue and the scenarios for "ALT" handling

    DL: propoesed two options

    sub/DL/TL/

    sub /DL/TL/

    DS: Thsi behavious is somehow address in DOM 3 events
    ... maybe this should be on next week's agenda

    DS; None of this should be dependent on any OS

    DS: We cna have a non- normative appendix for somer key sequences

    TL: That will be a good place for this (some key sequences)
    ... Was the difference of behaviour in OS's was somewhat expected?

    <scribe> ACTION: Travis to provide a simple test for modifier key
    combinations (specifically the "alt" key). [recorded in
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action05]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - to provide a simple test for
    modifier key combinations (specifically the \"alt\" key). [on Travis
    Leithead - due 2008-03-05].

    Resolution: We will provide a model for event order and provide an
    informative appendix with major known exceptions to this model.

    DS: Next week we will talk about key event sequence models
    ... Please provide things tht we think need to be solved

    <scribe> ACTION: Doug to provide Andrew with model wording for key
    evnts sequence [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action06]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-251 - Provide Andrew with model wording
    for key evnts sequence [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-03-05].

mousewheel overview

    DS: mousewheel event should be derive from mouse event .
    ... Another issue Some mousewheels let navigate on non-orthogonal
    directions.
    ... How to recognize single direction with multiple direction
    devices.

    TL: Is it possible to keep a single event aned derive the others?

    DS: Yes that is basically what omnievent is trying to accomplish.

    AS: Was happy with Travis single event idea as it simplifies context

    <shepazu> Resolution: remove multimousewheel, put additional
    dimensional delta values on mousewheel

    <Hixie> wow, after the months of telecons we spent on
    multimousewheel, we're removing it again?

    <Hixie> i'm sure glad i don't both attending telecons anymore

    <shepazu> Hixie, we're going to send a proposal to the list, we
    think we have a better model

    <Hixie> cool

    <shepazu> ACTION: Doug to send mousewheel proposal to list [recorded
    in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action07]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-252 - Send mousewheel proposal to list [on
    Doug Schepers - due 2008-03-05].

    DS: What are useful things to test on double click?
    ... the only normative thing we can say about click count is that
    there is a click count
    ... That can be tested

    <shepazu> trackbot: adjourn

    <shepazu> trackbot, adjourn

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: aemmons to add informative examples of different click
    counts for dblclick [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: Doug to provide Andrew with model wording for key
    evnts sequence [recorded in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action06]
    [NEW] ACTION: Doug to provied test template [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: Doug to send mousewheel proposal to list [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action07]
    [NEW] ACTION: TL to give us a script library that will add listener
    events. [recorded in
    [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: Travis to provide a simple test for modifier key
    combinations (specifically the "alt" key). [recorded in
    [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action05]
    [NEW] ACTION: Travis to provide simple abstraction layer for
    addEventListener [recorded in
    [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-webapi-minutes.html#action04]

    [End of minutes]
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