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Re: W3C Next Steps [was Re: [W3C Web Crypto WG] Rechartering discussion - Gemalto contribution]

From: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:38:12 +0100
Message-ID: <54D301C4.4040006@gmail.com>
To: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org>, GALINDO Virginie <Virginie.Galindo@gemalto.com>
CC: "public-webcrypto-comments@w3.org" <public-webcrypto-comments@w3.org>, "public-web-security@w3.org" <public-web-security@w3.org>
On 2015-02-03 23:22, Harry Halpin wrote:
> Virginie and Karen,
>
>    Thanks for the concrete suggestion for what to do next.
<snip>
> While there was lots of disagreement on the technical details, I think
> we all agree on the use-cases that some kind of hardware-backed
> cryptographic material would enable need to be part of the Open Web
> Platform.

Dear Harry,

If you use legacy technology like paying with an EMV-card, the card is inserted
in a payment terminal which is supposed to be trusted, maybe even certified.

This concept (trusted code + UI), is entirely missing from the current submissions.

If you to this add the mentioned violations of the web security and privacy model,
we seem to have passed the "technical details" stage by a rather huge margin.

Most if not all of this apply to the http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG activity as well.

Although I'm neither a W3C member, nor a Googler, I suggest that W3C seriously consider
getting *unbiased second opinions* from other people to avoid us [all] waiting for what
I believe may very well turn up as "nothing".

The topic has actually been "on the radar" for quite some time now:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-identity/2011Nov/0030.html

Best regards
Anders

>
>     cheers,
>        harry
>
>
>
> On 02/03/2015 05:36 PM, GALINDO Virginie wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> reading the 70 e-mails in this thread and will come back to you with a proposal to formalize requests,  use cases, expression of concerns.
>>
>> Virginie
>> (speaking as chair)
>>
>> ---- Rigo Wenning a écrit ----
>>
>>> Anders,
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 03 February 2015 12:42:07 Anders Rundgren wrote:
>>>> Although I agree with what you are saying there's a problem:
>>>>
>>>> None of the stuff you are referring to has ever been directly connected
>>>> to the [UNTRUSTED] web, they are always used with a trusted App + GU.
>>>
>>> if everybody had already thought about it, my contribution would be noise. My
>>> apologies if this is the case. This is a chartering discussion. If thinking
>>> about the eGov use case is overkill, we should state that openly and move on.
>>> I just want this to be a conscious decision. This enables W3C to respond if
>>> asked by the various governments.
>>>
>>> --Rigo
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