W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > public-web-and-tv@w3.org > February 2012

Re: [profile] Profile spec title

From: Giuseppe Pascale <giuseppep@opera.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:48:43 +0100
To: "Jan Lindquist" <jan.lindquist@ericsson.com>, "Vickers, Mark" <Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com>
Cc: "public-web-and-tv@w3.org WG" <public-web-and-tv@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.v9cqrh0n6ugkrk@giuseppep-x220>
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:07:12 +0100, Vickers, Mark  
<Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

> The HTML5 spec itself references CSS and other W3C specs, so using the  
> term "HTML5" doesn't exclude other W3C specs. The reason I suggested the  
> title
> 	"HTML5 Video Services Profile"
> is because it underlines that HTML5 is the central spec. Are others  
> looking for a spec that doesn't center on HTML5? If so, that's a more  
> important issue than the title.
>

 From my point of view the question is not if the spec should or should not  
be centered on HTML5 (I think is a fact that IS centered on html5 and I  
doubt someone disagree).
The question is if it needs to be part of the title.

> The even more important issue in the title is changing "TV" to "video  
> services". Using "TV Profile" strongly implies it's a profile only for  
> TV devices. "Video Service Profile" or "Profile for Video Services"  
> makes clear the profile describes what is needed for video services on  
> any device.
>

I know that for some people/communities the term TV can be confusing.
On the other end I notice that often also web based "video services" tend  
to use a TV-related terminology, e.g. they are often called (or call  
themselves) "web TVs". Another example is "YouTube".


Having read all the comments so far I still think the best compromise  
between different opinions is

"Web and TV profile"
Guidelines for integration of interactive video services in a  
browser-based environment

possible variation

"WebTV profile"
Guidelines for integration of interactive video services in a  
browser-based environment

/g

> Thanks,
> mav
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Jan Lindquist wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> The profile is not only about HTML5 but other W3c standards so it would  
>> be misleading to have HTML5 in the title. In the spirit of the IG how  
>> about "web and TV profile". The name of the profile is not as critical  
>> as knowing the breadth of the areas it should cover. This profile may  
>> live for a while and it in the context of the industry attempt to  
>> influence the work in W3C with a clear list of specs that are being  
>> used and how they may be used. It will become a reference point by  
>> other standard groups. By using the same name as the IG it can help see  
>> the relationship.
>> Regards,
>> JanL
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vickers, Mark [mailto:Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com]
>>> Sent: den 7 februari 2012 15:24
>>> To: Giuseppe Pascale
>>> Cc: public-web-and-tv@w3.org WG
>>> Subject: Re: [profile] Profile spec title
>>>
>>> How about "HTML5 Video Services Profile"?
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Giuseppe Pascale wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:26:40 +0100, Vickers, Mark
>>> <Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 5. Title: The goal for me is a profile of HTML5 for video
>>> services. There are two differences with "Web&TV Profile".
>>>>> - I want to include HTML5 in the title because this is
>>> HTML5-related
>>>>> and HTM5-centric
>>>>> - I don't like including "TV". This continues to cause
>>> confusion. It is clearer to describe an HTML5 profile for
>>> video services.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't have strong opinions on the title but I would note
>>> the following:
>>>> - A title should be short ( the subtitle explains a bit
>>> more what we are doing).
>>>> - I've tried to use the word "TV services" in the subtitle that is
>>>> hopefully a bit less confusing (or maybe not?). I have defined this
>>>> term as
>>>>
>>>> "For the purposes of this document a TV service is a
>>> commercial video service that may include elements of
>>> interactivity and that provides a coherent user experience.
>>>>
>>>> - while this profile is html5 based this is not only about
>>> html5. I'm not against highlighting the HTML5 centric
>>> approach but I wouldn't call this "an html5 profile".
>>>>
>>>> So in short: I'm fine with your comments but I cannot come
>>> up with a better title/subtitle. Suggestions are welcome.
>>>>
>>>> /g
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> See you on the call.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> mav
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Giuseppe Pascale wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One note: the zakim bridge is overbooked.
>>>>>> So just in case we see that people have problem dialing
>>> in (in such
>>>>>> case please login on IRC and let us know) I set-up this
>>> Opera bridge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOTE: ONLY TO BE USED IF WE SEE THAT ZAKIM DOESN'T WORK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone bridge details:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Conference ID:            33909
>>>>>> Start Date and Time:      Monday 06.02.2012 17:00:00 CET/CEST
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridge Numbers:
>>>>>> Norway                           +47 23 69 26 03
>>>>>> USA                                +1 800 201 4229 (Toll-Free)
>>>>>> Poland (Wroclaw)	        +48 71 719 6099
>>>>>> Poland (Warsaw)         	+48 22 262 0799
>>>>>> Japan                             +81 3 5435 8394
>>>>>> Russia				  +7 812 448 7876
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Conference Name:          tv profile
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Please contact SysAdmin at +47 23 69 33 60 for assistance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /g
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:06:15 +0100, Giuseppe Pascale
>>> <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here the call details for todays call
>>>>>>> (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Telco)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Schedule: Monday, 16:00Z (=8:00 Pacific, 11:00 Eastern, 17:00
>>>>>>> Europe, 01:00 Korea/Japan)
>>>>>>> Phone: US: +1 617 761 6200 or SIP: zakim@voip.w3.org Conference
>>>>>>> Code: 26632 IRC channel: #webtv
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And here the Agenda for todays call:
>>>>>>> (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Agenda_Telco_6/2/2012)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Review of Charter
>>>>>>> (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Charter)
>>>>>>> * Call schedule
>>>>>>> * TF tools (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile)
>>>>>>> * Process
>>>>>>> * Initial feedbacks on the draft
>>>>>>> (http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/tip/tvprofile/tv.html)
>>>>>>> * AOB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /g
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:00:59 +0100, Giuseppe Pascale
>>> <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> the poll [1] is now closed and the winner is...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Monday, February 6, 2012 4:00 PM - 5:00 PM UTC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this first call we will discuss the scope of the TV
>>> profile work, how do we want the group to be organized and
>>> timeline (if any).
>>>>>>>> If you have any other topic you want to add to the
>>> agenda let me know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll send around call details ASAP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] http://doodle.com/h6rfnkrqyi3uinpi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Giuseppe Pascale
>>>>>> TV & Connected Devices
>>>>>> Opera Software
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Giuseppe Pascale
>>>> TV & Connected Devices
>>>> Opera Software
>>>
>>>
>


-- 
Giuseppe Pascale
TV & Connected Devices
Opera Software
Received on Wednesday, 8 February 2012 08:51:56 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:44:06 UTC